Does a live music venue need to sell alcohol to get the crowd?
Posted By Erin Rice in Square Pegs on March 12, 2007
If you are putting on a show aimed at 20 and 30 something adults, does the venue need to sell alcohol for it to be a success?
If you happened to read the NxSW concert review, you know that day one of this supposedly huge music festival was very poorly attended, save for Polyphonic Spree's set. Why was this? Is it because ellum:ONSTAGE is a non-smoking, non-alcohol permitting venue run by a church in the middle of Deep Ellum, an area that's slowly becoming known for it's fading music scene?
If you consider other venues that don't serve alcohol around here, like the Door(s) in Dallas and Fort Worth, or Fat Daddy's Sound Shack (which is actually getting beer soon), they don't seem to do too badly with bringing in a crowd. But what crowd are they going for? The majority of the Door's crowd are kids too young to drink (legally) anyway, and are probably just psyched to have a venue to go to. Fat Daddy's in Lewisville doesn't seem to be suffering too badly either, given the younger age demographic of their typical customer.
But ellum:ONSTAGE is not just aiming for the younger crowd. In fact several of the local performers on Saturday have more mature followings (mature as in 21 to 40-year-olds and up) like Salim Nourallah, Johnny Lloyd Rollins, and Polyphonic Spree. And looking at the future shows, there seems to be a preponderance of slower, experimental rock and indie groups. Not really what the pre-21 crowd is known to clamor for. So does that mean those shows will suffer as well? Maybe it takes the environment that naturally comes with the selling of alcohol to make people willing to take a chance on a band. Because, if the band isn't that great, at least you can get a beer and hang out for a bit. Hell, after a couple beers, you might even start to like the music, who knows.
Maybe I'm putting too much emphasis on the turnout for one show, but wow it really was depressing, and embarrassing, to see some of this area's best musicians playing to a non-existent crowd.
Of course, there could have been other reasons:
A) For a festival, it was very un-festival like. I mean, there was constant music playing on two stages, and while that could be enough, for people to spend their whole day at it, there should probably be a little more to it (i.e. Warped Tour, EdgeFest, and so on).
B) How well was it promoted? Seems like with 102.1 The Edge behind it, you might have heard more about it. I happened to catch a radio ad or two about it, but maybe that wasn't enough.
C) Is it just typical of Dallas venues to put the burden of bringing in the crowd on the artists themselves?
And of course, there have got to be other possibilities that I just don't have the time to hash out. But the thing that keeps getting tossed around here is the whole "no-alcohol" thing at a venue intended for "of-drinking-age" crowds. Hell if I have a good answer, but I am curious as to what others may be thinking.

hakoop says:
Three answers:
Yes.
Yup.
Hellzyeah.
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Sam Crutsinger says:
Yes. Deep Ellum is for adults who want to do adult things, which involves intoxication and activities that generally don't top any sort of WWJD list.
Personally I think this venue has a short live expectancy. Their location is outside of the central core of Deep Ellum. They don't serve booze. Their typical content isn't "indie," it's christian metal/rap/rock which even christians usually find revolting. Calling it "indie" makes me laugh every time I hear it. Sure, technically they are independent bands, but this place doesn't pursue indie acts. It's just that nobody can sell the kind of music they support which means they stay "indie." The venue is a multifaceted conflict of interest with the local community.
They scored a few non-christian acts for NXSW, but many of us who currently live in Deep Ellum are here because this area is a hole in the bible belt. Typically, when a church throws a party, people in Deep Ellum don't usually come running.
But take my ranting with a grain of salt. I'm biased. I live on the same block as them and have to listen to their concerts whether I want to or not. Well, not for NXSW. During that I was in Austin at the SXSW Film Festival which I've got to say is crowed everywhere you look. Hmmmm... I may have another theory about why people didn't come....
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