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Thursday, March 1, 2007

Neighborhood meeting held to preserve McKinney Avenue Hard Rock building

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Last night at William B. Travis Elementary school, Dallas City Council woman Angela Hunt presided over a meeting to discuss just what will happen to the terminally-ill Hard Rock Cafe building on McKinney Avenue.

The Hard Rock Cafe in question, also known in political circuits as the Supreme Court of Rock.

The Hard Rock Cafe in question, also known in political circuits as the Supreme Court of Rock.

The building, mostly-known today as a nice and very loud place to get a burger and a beer and catch some live local music (Hard Night's Day, anyone?), was built over 100 years ago as the McKinney Avenue Baptist Church and is therefore up for consideration as a historic landmark.*

By 7:00 pm, a crowd of roughly fifty-ish persons--concerned (a.k.a. "frustrated and fearful") residents, city officials, and a few brave developers--gathered inside the school's auditorium underneath a hand-painted mural of the Alamo.

Mrs. Hunt began the meeting on the dot, welcomed everyone, and promptly dispelled rumors.

"There's been lots of talk about a CVS pharmacy," she said. "Well, that's not going to happen."

The room erupted into applause.

"And there isn't going to be a drive-in bank," Hunt continued. "In all actuality, it's looking more along the lines of a restaurant."

More applause.

"Anyway, I'm here at this meeting tonight to talk to you all to see if there is support to deem this building a Landmark," Hunt said. "And I would also like to fill you in on how that process works and let you know how you can be involved."

How to be 'historicized'

As discussed at the meeting, here is the series of trials a building must endure in order to reach safety.

  1. A request is made to the city staff that the building should be designated. This request doesn't have to be made by the property owner; any regular ol' citizen can make it.
  2. The city staff presents the request to the Designation Committee, who considers it from a cultural/historical perspective and either approves or disproves. If approved, the building is then in a category of "Predesignation"--the stage at which the Hard Rock building is now.
  3. The request is recommended to the Landmark Commission, which determines whether or not to proceed further.
  4. If the LC does approve, the busy work is sent back to the Designation Committee, which composes a proposal supporting the building's significance. Attached to this is the actual ordinance that would deem the building a historic landmark.
  5. The request is sent back to the LC.
  6. The request is sent to the City Plan commission.
  7. The request reaches the City Council.
  8. If the council gives the nod, the building is saved
  9. Birds sing. Children frolic. Young couples do the nasty.

After a lengthy discussion regarding how a building is deemed a landmark (available in the sidebar), Council Member Hunt fielded a sea questions from all directions.

Two different residents, who must not have heard each other, asked about whether the building could be 'un-historicized' when and if no businesses could be successful in this "giant building with thirty-five stairs." As it turns out, the building could, but only by the Dallas City Council.

From there the discussion turned to "what to do with all the 'schmuck,' the unofficial legal term used to describe all the crap/memorabilia that now covers the building. Many residents expressed interest to have the building returned to its pre-Hard Rock 1904 look.

One older resident dared to ask what everyone was probably thinking. "So, if worse comes to worse and the building doesn't get landmark status, it could possibly be ripped apart to make way for another big condo?"

"Yup," said Hunt.

It was around this time that Bret Landes, the developer who has purchased the property, stood up to address the room.

"I just found out about all this three days ago," he said. "so I'm learning as you are. [And though] I don't live in the Uptown area, I do office here. The last project I worked on were the two tan buildings at 2521 Fairmont, both of which won awards. And you'll notice that the Heritage Antiques building was definitely not ruined; the structure was retained."

"I just want to let you all know we will follow the same theme," Landes said. "The Hard Rock is a failed concept, but I assure you that whatever we put in its place will be something that you, as residents, will be proud of."

The criteria that the Landmark Committee refers to when considering deeming a place historical includes its architecture, its featured neighborhood, its cultural and educational significance, its ties to historical figures, whether or not it is state or nationally recognized, whether it is the work of a master architect, whether it is associated with an historical event, and whether it is affiliated with or part of another established historic district.

An artistic representation of how Mr. Landis, the new owner of the property in question, must have felt when his presence at the meeting was announced.

An artistic representation of how Mr. Landis, the new owner of the property in question, must have felt when his presence at the meeting was announced.

Currently, the Hard Rock has met five out of these ten criteria, and it only needs to meet three to be considered. Therefore, the building is currently considered "pre-designated," which is a way to say that it's on its way there but could still, worse comes to worse, be torn down.

All that's left now are a few more crucial stages, which includes the presentation of the Designation Committee to the Landmark Commission that will take place this Monday afternoon at 1:00 pm.

With a mild sense of pacification, the meeting ended at 8:00 pm after Hunt asked for a show of hands. Every person present raised theirs in support of deeming the building a 'historic landmark' (that is, everyone aside from the developers, who couldn't logically issue an opinion due to their involvement).

So you could say that things are looking good. Maybe.

Landmark Commission hearing at City Hall concerning Hard Rock building

  • When: Monday, March 5, 2007, 1 p.m.
  • Where: Dallas City Hall, 1500 Marilla Street, Dallas
  • Cost: Free
  • Age limit: All ages

Earlier, when everyone was first settling into the auditorium, I couldn't help but eavesdrop on the guys sitting behind me, a few of which must have been developers of some kind.

"Hey, man, I gotta make a livin' somehow," said the first one. "Remember that townhouse over on, uh, I forget. . . but we coulda stripped it down and put up apartments on that lot. Stack 'em high and make 'em real expensive."

"You surveyor!" his friend quipped, giggling.

"That's the thing about Dallas," replied the first one. "We've always had more dollars than sense."

Let's hope not.

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[On an aside, I wonder how similar, or greater, the fallout was some twenty years ago when the church went into a decline and someone "had the nerve" to take down the stained-glass pictures of Christ and put up ones of Elvis. If there are any older (no offense) readers out there who remember, please drop some knowledge].


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barnaud Anonymous

Wasnt the building used as a place to buy architectual relics between the church time and the clubtime? (the Wrecking Ball?). I just remember it being a problem, turning it into the Hard Rock and the doom and gloom for the area. The area at the time also seemed to be very scary to folks. bumpy brick street with unused rails. ultra cool record store on Cole that, along with the original Quadrangle, made it fun and spooky to visit for all us Far north Dallas kids (lbj/hillcrest) Ohhh scary! it was. Now The kids from Frisco can at least go to the uptown area and check out the restaurants and that old church (the one that didnt burn down) and only have there car broken into.

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Blair Lovern Staff

Why does this building need to fit 8 historic requirements?

According to the Dallas Landmark Commission site: "Historic buildings are those structures that possess any one (my emphasis) of the following merits: character; location of a significant historical event; identification with a historically significant person or persons; cultural, economic, social, or historical heritage; architectural style; architect or master builder; architectural innovation; archaeological significance, or value as an aspect of community sentiment or pride."

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Chad Jones Staff

Hey, Blair, where are you getting eight from?

"Currently, the Hard Rock has met five out of these ten criteria, and it only needed to meet three to be considered. "

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twisteddog Anonymous

Nice story. I love this kind of neighborhood reporting. And the insider/eavesdropping thing is great. Beats the hell out of reading about minor league ballparks.

I think a landmark designation for this building is really too strong. Maybe a developer out there can answer this, because I'm not up on the current code: Does Dallas have some kind of middle-ground designation that would require a building to preserve its usefulness but not require planning commission approval for small things like landscaping changes?

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Teresa Gubbins Staff

I liked this story too. appreciated all the details and quotes

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Chad Jones Staff

If I heard everything correctly last night, Twisted, even if the building is deemed a landmark the owner will retain the right to make certain exterior changes.

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Blair Lovern Staff

oops, sorry. OK so why 3 instead of 1?

1 year, 7 months ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )

Chad Jones Staff

Blair:

Long answer: My guess is that they want more than just one reason to deem it historical. They probably forsee a stronger case for designation if the structure is deemed worthy in more than one aspect.

Short answer: bureaucracy(?)


Meanwhile, Angela Hunt emailed with an important correction:

"Even though the Hard Rock has met half the landmark criteria, it is not yet being treated as if it were designated. It is only if the Landmark Commission initiates the designation process that [the building] would be treated as if it were already a landmark. That is why Monday's Landmark Commission meeting to determine whether to initiate the process is so important."

The article has been updated accordingly. Sorry if there was a misconception that the building is already saved. It could still be killed.

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Haretip Anonymous

Too funny. Be careful quoting eavesdropped conversations. For the record, I am not a developer, but I do have developers who are clients. I was joking around with the Chief Operating Officer of the McKinney Avenue Streetcar line about replacing a historic house on Cole Avenue with 20 townhomes - an irony based joke as that is one of my favorite remaining historic houses in the neighborhood. He went on to reply that we may outdo ourselves by getting rid of too many of the structures that made McKinney Avenue so popular/unique in the first place.

As a 14 year volunteer/employee/former resident of the McKinney Avenue area, I support the effort to designate the McKinney Avenue Baptist Church building as a historic structure.

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Tyler504 Anonymous

I love how the reporter refers to the priceless memorabilia as "crap", shows his appreciation for the arts. Everything is most likely going to be sent back to the Hard Rock’s warehouse in Orlando and either distributed among other cafes or saved until when and if they reopen here in the next few years.

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Chad Jones Staff

Tyler, I was kidding. The crap I was referring to is the Hard Rock related stuff (signs, banners, etc) and not the irreplaceable music memorabilia.

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