milesi826 Anonymous

And why do we have to play the race card when a person of any ethnicity, age, etc. jumps out of the bushes at any hour, anywhere, at a police officer, or at anyone? Do you think the officers being attacked at 3 am said, "...hmmm,this guy is black...I think I will shoot him."

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J_Mortimer Anonymous

I think its likely if this 15 year old was white they would likely have been shot. If this person would have been 20 years old or 25 years they likely would have been shot.

Statements like "Race is bred in the very fiber of this country, even our holiest document the Constitution" are so slippery and misleading that they cannot be evaluated with any reasonable level of critical certainty. Statements like that add to the mire and degradation of public discourse. The are more about rhetoric than a rational evaluation of fact.

J

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

I do think it is always relevant to cite the race of the accused. I also think it is relevant to state whether an accused person is an illegal or legal immigrant. I hate the use of the word "immigrant." I'd rather know whether the accused is a "registered alien" or "unregistered alien," not "undocumented worker." It is relevant to know, if they are "registered aliens," whether their visa is still current. As long as a person is lawfully in this country, it tells me nothing that they are "immigrants." The label"undocumented worker" might be misleading. How does the news media know they are working? To call them "undocumented worker" the media would have to know their employer, and if the media knew the employer, the media would have a duty to report the employer for violaing the law by employing the undocumented worker. Since the news media cannot or will not identify the employer of the undcoumented worker, they shouldn't use the label "undocumented worker." Do we call them "undocumented workers" if their work happens to be selling drugs and collecting drug debts? Calling them "undocumented workers" gives them too much slack. It does tell me something if their ethnicity is mentioned. I don't think race of the police officer is relevant. The reason the race of the accused is relevant is that it either serves to break or reinforce our stereotype. We need to know whether violence in certain areas is black on black, black on white, white on black, hispanic on black, hispanic on white, etc. That way, if we keep statistics, we can better evaluate our risk of going into certain areas. If, for example, in a certain area, violence is always black on black and never white on black, then we know as white people that it isn't dangerous to go into that area. Of course it is also relevant to know the sex of the victim, because that would tell a woman whether it is safe to go there as a woman.

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klstrat Anonymous

When was the last time you heard about an unarmed white man or white woman being shot by a police officer under any circumstances (except when pointing a gun directly at the officer). Think about it. I challenge you to detail one incident.

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Abraham Anonymous

I am against gambling, but I am willing to bet $10 that with a name like "Niksha" the cop is black.

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Abraham Anonymous

To Sanders Kaufman: The "he" is a "she". It was a female cop named Niksha Owens shot the out-of-control attacker, who was attacking another female cop.

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bluesdfw Anonymous

You know what? Anyone who jumps out of the bushes at 3 am and attacks somebody deserves to get shot. I don't care if they are 12. It has nothing to do with race or age. It has to do with criminal intent. Now if the cop had been hiding in the bushes and had jumped out and ambushed an unarmed 15 year old boy, that's different. But that's not the story. HOW CAN ANYONE FEEL THE ATTACKER WAS A VICTIM??? Some here want to PUNISH THE COP for defending herself? What crap. You don't want to get shot? Don't jump out of the bushes at 3 am and attack anyone.

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WhitneyTM Anonymous

From the Dallas Morning News: "'According to the witnesses, when this man – this young child – was attacking the DART police officer ... he yelled profanities and said he was going to kill her,' said Dallas police Senior Cpl. Janice Crowther. 'He repeatedly said he was going to kill her.'"

Sanders, it's not like the kid hopped out and said "boo."

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Abraham Anonymous

In situations like this one when someone (especially a female) is being violently attacked by an out-of-control would-be murderer, it becomes a kill-or-be-killed situation. The Policewoman did what she had to do.

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twisteddog Anonymous

very nice. well put. hear hear.

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Abraham Anonymous

A 15-year old male is not a child. Many 15 year old males are as large and as strong as "adult men".
It's not like she shot a 5 year old or even a 10 year old.
She shot a male attacker who screamed "I'm going to kill you" and who tried to grab here gun. Wake up to reality, Sanders.

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

Maybe we need to discriminate against tiny female police officers. Given the risk of 15 year old kids out at 3 a.m. and the need for extraordianry visual accuity, we need to provide employment incentives for hefty male weightlifters with extraordinary eyesight to work the graveyard shift.

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

Sanders Kaufman. You are culturally biased. You are so anti-gun you cannot see this emergency situation for what it was. I suggest that you disarm yourself, qualify for the police force, and take the graveyard shift along with your tiny female partner in South Dallas. If you are a tiny female, I'd like to see how long you would survive. I don't think you would last a year. You would end up raped or dead, your uniform not providing any protection.

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bluesdfw Anonymous

The attacker was NOT a child. Children are in bed at 3:30 am on a Sunday night, not out attacking women from ambush. Someone who is attacking women at 3:30 in the morning is either trying to rob, kill, or rape. Those are not the actions of a child. I am glad this young thug chose to attack armed officers instead of some unarmed daughter, wife, or mother. You can debate forever what "should" have been done and mourn the "potential" of a young life lost. However the responsibility of what happened rests ultimately with the attacker. Don't start none, won't be none.

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CastleHills Anonymous

Sanders has not been out of the house recently. I'm an adult woman, and it's easy to find 13 and 14 year olds who can overpower me. If I'm somewhere at 3am, and a menacing 13 year old grabs me and screams he's going to kill me, he'll be tasting lead in no time. I wish we could all live in that Utopia you live in, Sanders. What planet is it on?

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bluesdfw Anonymous

Sanders, it is fascinating how you consider gun nuts to be people of bad character but you defend thugs who attack women by calling them "children", even when they take on adult actions. Age is not an excuse for attacking women at 3:30 am. You look to blame everyone for what happened except the one person who caused the whole incident. The criminal. You continue to state that he deserved some sort of special treatment because of his age. Bull. He was attempting to rob, kill, or rape a woman. Children don't do that. Thugs do.

You go out of your way to find anyone to blame. Now it's the gun nuts. If people hadn't owned guns, that thug would never had attacked those women. Those durned gun nuts clearly caused the whole thing.

It is very easy to sit on your ass in your home and type on your computer what you think someone should do in a dangerous situation. It's pretty easy to sit back and pontificate from the comfort of your home in the light of day. Knock yourself out. But, since you're not a gun nut and, therefore, not afraid, feel free to walk the streets of South Dallas after 3 am and then tell us what you find. I've been there and I can tell you that you will not feel safe. I've been in South Dallas, many times, after 3 am myself, so I guess I'm not cowardly. How about you? I'll be waiting for your report.

Oh, and by the way, I don't own any weapons except for an old deer rifle my grandpa bought me in 1963 and it hasn't been fired in more than 40 years. Does that qualify me as a gun nut? Gosh, I hope so.

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milesi826 Anonymous

IF THE POOR DEFENSELESS CHILD IS NOT OUT AT 3 AM, THERE IS NO STORY!!!

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

Some 15 year olds are no longer children. They aren't ignorant. They are street wise, hardened criminals. They are tough and they are mean. They haven't been gently raised. They've had to scrap for survival. It is like the difference between a pit bull dog who has been fed, petted, loved, and socialized, and the pit bull who has been taught to guard his territory and stand his ground. The former pit bull is no more dangerous than the average poodle.

The same is true of 15 year old boys who are on the street at 3 a.m. attacking female police officers and breathing threats. He lost his innocence a long time ago. He is no longer a child and shouldn't be treated as such.

I know a man who married at the age of 14. He would go on to raise 6 children very well. He immediately went to work to provide for the family, and his family didn't suffer financially. It is quite possible, even in this day and time, for a responsible 14 year old to undertake adult responsibility. Most don't, because we keep them children for too long. We give children too much slack and expect too little of them.

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extasy Anonymous

Lets be afraid of everything! shoot everybody! cops are wrong here. They are trained to react to this kind of attack...where is the training.

now, all that happens to them(cop) is they get fired and go back to their apartment in north Dallas..

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

I hope they don't get fired. I hope the officer who did the shooting gets a medal for saving her fellow officer's life. I hope they get reassigned to jobs more appropriate for tiny females at 3 a.m. I hope we replace them with big, burly males who can handle tough, street wise 15 year old boys who are carousing at 3 a.m. And yes, given the increased risk and physical demands we put on the big burly males, I think those big burly males deserve a premium in their pay. Maybe, if we'd accept reality and stop being politcally correct, we'd have fewer dead 15 year olds and safer streets. As long as we are going to deploy tiny females in dangerous areas at 3 a.m., we need to give them guns and we need to expect them to use them. Believe me, if we tell our police officers to second guess themselves in dangerous situations like that, we are increasing their risk. If we ask them to hesitate before using a weapon in those dangerous situations, then we had better greatly increase their pay and the life insurance for their families.

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

Alan Cohen, I didn't say a 15 year old kid is a pit bull. Reread my comment. I said the difference between a gently raised 15 year old kid and a street wise kid is like the difference between a gently raised pit bull and a pit bull that has been trained to guard and stand his ground. Animal models have been used in behavioral studies for centuries. Sure, they aren't perfect models, but they do provide some useful lessons.

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interestedcitizen Anonymous

I never said he wasn't a kid, nor did anyone in this thread. I said there is a difference between a gently raised 15 year old kid and a streetwise toughened, 15 year old kid. The two demand different responses and control techniques.

It is like the two pitbulls. The gently raised pit bull will respond to a verbal command and a tug on the leash. The only way to stop the hardened pit bull is to put him down.

Its the same with a hardened 15 year old kid. If he jumps out of the bushes at 3 a.m. breathing murderous threats, the sane, rational response by a tiny female who can't see whether he has a gun and doesn't know how old he is, is to deploy a gun. The irrational response is to pretend he's not a threat. The irrational response will end in probable death to the police officer who was too timid to deploy a gun.

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Abraham Anonymous

Sanders, you are the one redefining the English language. "Kid", "child", and "teenager" are DIFFERENT WORDS! "Child" and "teenager" have ESPECIALLY DIFFERENT meanings. You have probably never been mugged or attacked by anyone in your life. I have been attacked and almost killed (completely unprovoked) by BLACK TEENAGERS five times in my life. The worst time I was stabbed 4 inches deep in my neck and almost died. My guess is just one rape/muder of a loved-one or of yourself (especially by BLACK TEENAGERS) and you will change your "they are just children" tune instantly.

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Abraham Anonymous

Since Shawn, Sanders, and the New Black Panthers seem to want to make a racial issue out of this incident (even though the cop was probably Black), lets get some real stats about Black crime. Most of these stats come from the US Department of Justice, so I consider them reliable. Prove them wrong if you can. Saying they are false stats does not count.

Blacks "were 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 1998" http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide...

Blacks are four times more likely than Whites to kill their children http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide...

28% of black males go to jail, vs. 4.4% of White males http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

68.7% of blacks are born out of wedlock http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pdf/n...

62% of ALL black births are paid for by the US government http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/datawh/statab...

Blacks are responsible for 40.8% of all domestic violence cases, despite being only 13% of the population. See page 28: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/...

Though only 12% of the population, blacks take 38.3% of the total of all welfare payments. Whites are 72% of the population, and take 30.5% of the total. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/...

Though only 12% of the population, blacks take 38% of taxpayer-subsidized housing http://www.huduser.org/datasets/*.....

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Abraham Anonymous

Whatever, dude. If the ethnicity of the officers ALWAYS matters, the ethnicity of the attacker ALWAYS matters too. Try to argue that away, your efforts are so amusing.

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Abraham Anonymous

Ummmm... Right. Ok. If your assumption has always been that both officers were black then what were you getting at when you wrote:

"What was the ethnicity of the two officers? It ALWAYS matters."

Why does it ALWAYS matter? What do you mean?

If you were not making a racial issue out of this incident, what were you trying to say?

Also, what did you mean when you wrote:

"For people to think that such an obvious thing as skin color doesn't make for certain sets of assumptions is not being realistic."

If you thought both cops were black and you know the attacker was black then why write all that stuff that has to do with race?

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milesi826 Anonymous

It is only a race issue for those who prefer to be of a victim mentality and not be willing to take responsibility for their actions. They seek to blame others, because to take responsibility for oneself would mean taking responsibility for changing oneself to become a decent member of society.

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Abraham Anonymous

Well said, milesi826.

Funny how Sanders & Shawn disappeared from this little discussion.... What happened, guys?

Did your nonsensical arguments run out of steam?

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Abraham Anonymous

..... crickets chirping .....

To reiterate : "Teenagers" are not "children". That is why they are called TEENAGERS. Otherwise they would be called CHILDREN until they are 20 years old. You would think that so-called "journalists" would understand this, but apparently some here at "Pegasus News" don't quite grok the fact that different words actually mean different things... that is why they are DIFFERENT WORDS.... DUH! Thus the argument that a "child" was shot has been completely demolished. TEENAGERS can be just as big, strong, and dangerous as ADULTS. I am all for the Police shooting DANGEROUS, VIOLENTLY ATTACKING TEENAGERS.

Shawn, you never did explain why you wrote all that stuff about race, especially if you assumed both Policewomen are Black. What were you trying to say? Are you trying to say that Black people are violent and imcompetent?

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Abraham Anonymous

Oh no I typo-ed incompetent!!! ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gee this place dried up fast. What happened to all the waaaaah-waaaaaah do-gooders?

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Abraham Anonymous

I consider the fact that both Shawn and Sanders have not replied to my straightforward questions for over 24 hours to be concessions of defeat on their parts.

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