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Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Cycling tickets on the rise at White Rock Lake

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Cyclists have seen a rise in tickets issued at White Rock Lake as officers have increased enforcement of traffic laws such as stopping at a stop sign and wearing a helmet.

Posted by Laura S.


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mhawk05 Anonymous

This makes me feel safer already!

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Clay213 Anonymous

I find it unbelievable that people can ride motorcycles in Texas without helmets but a cop is going to give me a ticket for not wearing a helmet on my bicycle?

Bring on the walking helmet laws please! This place has gone retarded.

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bobdon000 Anonymous

Keep harassing the annoying bicyclists. They don't belong on public roads. They are a hazard and nuisance.

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Tracy Yost Verified

Are you telling me there's a law in Dallas that requires ADULTS to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle ? That IS retarted. I mean, retarded. I mean, STOOPID !

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kirk Anonymous

There is no Texas law requiring bicyclists to wear helmets. But Dallas enacted a mandatory helmet law for riders of all ages in 1996.

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roberthanifen Anonymous

Head injuries from biking accidents generally lead to death or paralysis. So a ticket is all that stands between the public and paying some idiot's medical bills for life.

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mhawk05 Anonymous

"Head injuries from biking accidents generally lead to death or paralysis. So a ticket is all that stands between the public and paying some idiot's medical bills for life."

Head injuries usually don't turn out to well in any instance.

Also, why are we not responsible for our own decisions? You get in the car, you may get in an accident; you stand on a hill in the rain, you might get struck by lightning. Am I not responsible for myself when I decide to ride my bike around the lake? It's called health insurance for a reason; this should not be the government's problem.

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Catte_Nappe Anonymous

I don't have a strong position on the helmet issue, but some stepped up traffic enforcement on cyclists is most welcome.

There are a lot of them in my neighborhood, and many are good "road neighbors". However, too many aren't. Ignoring stop signs. Ignoring even red lights. One this evening passed me in a back up on a two lane road. He'd decided his "lane" was the space between the stopped cars to his right and left. A little "message sending" from the police is probably overdue. Makes me feel safer (I really don't want to run into or over one of these guys); and makes them actually safer in the long run.

PS - mhawk05 It's called health insurance because we each pay into a pool that any of us in the pool can use as needed. How much I have to pay eventually depends on how much is being paid out - including serious injuries or long term care. Consequently I end up paying more so your head injury gets covered. The way insurance works we are all responsible for each other. (Plus some extra thrown in for insurance company profits, but that's another story)

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Rick Yost Verified

No running around the pool with scissors!

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Tracy Yost Verified

It's a wonder I made it to adulthood, what with all that bike riding with no helmet, and running around the pool with scissors. Of course, Darwinian logic might apply here. That said, I know people who have died on motorcycles with helmet on, simply because the other guy didn't see them. Life is dangerous, play at your own risk. I think folk should be allowed to engage in risky behavior, should they desire to do so. And yeh we got an insurance problem, but it's so much bigger than head injuries from two-wheeled vehicles........

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Clay213 Anonymous

I'm willing to bet far more head injuries are caused by auto accidents, but we don't require anyone to wear a helmet then.

I bet more head injuries are caused while walking. Falling down stairs.. bet that causes more head injuries too.

If I get a ticket for not wearing a helmet on my bicycle, I will not start wearing a helmet.. I will start paying a lawyer.

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Rick Yost Verified

Yet one more personal freedom taken from us all, and we didn't even know it happened.

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ameripro Anonymous

When the city council passed this law, the proponents had some brain injured individuals appear at the council hearing. Interestingly, their injuries didn't need to have any relationship to bicycle riding. One brain injured example was actually injured while driving drunk and pulling out in front of an oncoming car in the middle of the night.

But the effect of the brain injured was compelling. Unfortunately, the proponents were less than candid about the true causes of the the injuries but they got their helmet law. If I remember correctly, the driving force within the proponents was from emergency room personnel.

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Bemused Anonymous

Personal freedom sometimes expresses itself as negligent behavior that is detrimental to society. Still, I don't like the idea of local government, which is grossly incompetent, impossing such restrictions. Ride at your own risk!

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kirk Anonymous

Bicycle helmets GOOD. Brain damage BAD.

Wear a helmet. It's not a matter of usurping personal freedom. It's common sense.

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Rick Yost Verified

Kirk- This is very much a matter of usurping personal freedom.
Everyone here on this forum has lost the right to ride a simple bicycle without wearing a helmet, because of the stupidity of a few, who obviously can't manage to do it without hurting themselves.

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kirk Anonymous

Rick: Have you ever had your head hit the pavement? I've done it, both with and without a helmet, at relatively slow speeds (<20 mph). I assure you that it's much less problematic with a helmet.

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kirk Anonymous

I, for one, would wear a helmet all the time if it got Nicole Kidman to play with me.

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Rick Yost Verified

Kirk- You know, I must say, I've spent a good deal of my life on a bike- from age 7 through most of my teens, and then several years as an adult- one year or so, it was my only transport, but I have never had my head hit the pavement. Whether this is due to dumb luck, or adequate coordination, I still am now unable to ride without a helmet because of folks like yourself. Thanks for the memories.

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Robert Kelly Verified

I love how the council can enact an unenforceble law like this then selectively bust people. If I get a ticket I am in the lawyer camp as well. This worthless city can spend a little fighting me. Expensive- but fun. Just another example of how this city spends its time on worthless activities while leaving its legitimate functions on the sidelines.

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kirk Anonymous

*"I still am now unable to ride without a helmet because of folks like yourself."*

Rick: As far as I am concerned, you are welcome to ride any vehicle you'd like without a helmet.

If you'll re-read what I wrote, I said "Wear a helmet." I'd tell you the same thing if you were inline skating, playing hockey, or ski racing...all of which I have familiarity with. If you were playing hockey, I would tell you to wear a cup, too. But I have played against people who don't, and that's their prerogative. (Usually, the desire to let one's freak flag fly on the ice disappears after the first slap-shot puck strikes the groin at 40 - 50 mph.)

Your not-so-subtle comment about "adequate coordination" is cute, but coordination has very little to do with sports injuries -- especially on bicycles. (Ever watch the Tour de France when one of the coordinated and highly trained riders hits his wheel on something at 30 mph and the entire peloton wipes out?)

But back to the issue of bike helmets. Here are some stats (from the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute):

In the U.S., about 540,000 bicyclists visit emergency rooms with injuries every year. Of those, about 67,000 have head injuries, and 27,000 have injuries serious enough to be hospitalized.

784 bicyclists died on US roads in 2005. 92% of them died in crashes with motor vehicles (720). Two-thirds of the deaths were from traumatic brain injury.

Of the dead bicyclists, 86% were not wearing helmets. 10% were wearing helmets.

By the way, alcohol was involved in 36% of the cycling deaths in 2005. Draw your own conclusions about whether it's advisable to drink and drive and/or ride.

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eastside Anonymous

If only they would enforce the two abreast rule.

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Rick Yost Verified

Kirk- With all due respect, my coordination comment was in no way meant to be cute, it was in my opinion appropriate. Aside from the impressive list of dangerous sports that you have familiarity with, you can't seem to navigate a bicycle without hitting your head on the pavement.
The numbers you list are just as impressive, but I would imagine there is an even more impressive number of Americans that ride their bicycles everyday without hitting their heads on the pavement. Unfortunately, the majority of us who can actually chew bubble gum and walk at the same time, have to suffer the minority who seem to be coordination-challenged.

The fact that there actually is a Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute speaks of how society negates natural selection.

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Robert Kelly Verified

FYI- Here is the ordinance:

SEC. 9-8. BICYCLE HELMET REQUIRED.

 (a)     A person commits an offense if he operates or rides upon a bicycle or any side car, trailer, child carrier, seat, or other device attached to a bicycle without wearing a helmet.

 (b)     A parent or guardian of a minor commits an offense if he knowingly causes or permits, or by insufficient control allows, the minor to operate or ride upon a bicycle or any side car, trailer, child carrier, seat, or other device attached to a bicycle, without the minor wearing a helmet.

 (c)     A person commits an offense if he transports another person upon a bicycle or any side car, trailer, child carrier, seat, or other device attached to a bicycle, without the other person wearing a helmet.

 (d)     It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a), (b), or (c) that:

      (1)     the bicycle was not being operated upon a public way at the time of the alleged offense; or

      (2)     for a first offense only, the person owns or has acquired a helmet for himself or his passenger, whichever is applicable, prior to appearance in municipal court. (Ord. 22764, eff. 9/1/96)

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terryorze Anonymous

I have ridden a bicycle for 42 years with no head injuries. Eventually, everything will be illegal in the United State. I am seriously interested in voting with my feet now. Between this and tieing a dog up getting you jail time. Owning a dog that bites and injurs someone go to jail for ten years. It is just getting ridiculous. What freak accident that got blown up by the DMN caused this?

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terryorze Anonymous

Where should I ride my bike now? I have enjoyed riding around White Rock lake for decades. I have never grown tired of it. Where will I enjoy riding just as much that is not in Dallas?

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kirk Anonymous

Rick:

You know, I will revise my previous recommendation and suggest that you not wear any sort of protective equipment for any sport or vehicle. In fact, if you would like to ride one of my bicycles this weekend, I would be happy to follow behind you in my car. How about meeting on Preston Road for a ride between 121 and Lebanon in Frisco, about noon on Saturday?

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Clay213 Anonymous

terryorze Anonymous

Where should I ride my bike now? I have enjoyed riding around White Rock lake for decades. I have never grown tired of it. Where will I enjoy riding just as much that is not in Dallas?

Holland. I've never seen a single helmet there. And far my cyclists than anywhere in the US.

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Rick Yost Verified

Kirk- Dude! If this is your way of asking me out on a date- I'm married!

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Bemused Anonymous

rkisok, I wouldn't call this law "unenforceable." It will be upheld in the same manner as other laws: If police happen to be paying attention to cyclists and feel like issuing tickets, they will. But if they know the cyclists or like their bikes or something of that nature, they will refrain from exacting penalties.

I promise that this law will be prone to the same corruptions of application as all others. Selective enforcement is the hallmark of the Dallas Police Department. This stems partly from cronyism and partly from apathy. When you combine those two failings, consistency is impossible to achieve.

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Clay213 Anonymous

I've ridden by countless cops, gotten on and off my bike in front of cops.. asked them questions from my bike etc.. never heard a word about a helmet.

My friend who is hispanic.. whole nother story.

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kirk Anonymous

Rick:

Poor woman.

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gian776 Anonymous

Here in Westchester, New York, our county board of legislators are trying to pass a similar bicycle helmet law. It's very disturbing. I voiced my opposition at a public hearing the other night. i am really concerned about them taking my personal freedoms and choice of what to wear. Any advice on how we can prevent this atrocity? Any stories to share? Thanks.

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Stephanie Hindall Verified

Rick and Kirk, ya'll are cute and all, but amid your comments and flirtations I think the point got a little muddied:

1) Helmets saves lives and prevent injuries.

2) The govt. shouldn't have a say in whether its citizens want to save themselves from harm.

In short: You're a dumbass if you choose to go helmet-free, and it is your right to be a dumbass.

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Bemused Anonymous

This law may prove detrimental to the environment, in that it might discourage people from cycling to work. Let's say you can easily get to work in fifteen minutes on a bike. Let's say also that you have to arrive at work in a well-groomed condition. Applying a helmet to your head for even fifteen minutes can lend a disadvantageous shabbiness to your appearance. This seems like a minor point, but it will likely influence people's transportation decisions.

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Clay213 Anonymous

These laws certainly discourage cycling.

It discourages people who might otherwise hop on the bike for a quick ride down to the store.. because they don't want to get suited up in 'safety gear'.

It also props up the illusion that cycling is dangerous.. an illusion spread mainly by those who never partake in the activity.

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Rick Yost Verified

Tefi- The scores of folks that prefer to ride a bicycle without a helmet, may seem foolish to you, but they may just be sensible, safe, intelligent people that understand the limits of such a basic form of transport.

It's just a freakin' bicycle! (Not everyone can be Lance Armstrong!)

You power it, you decide where you'll go, and how fast you'll get there.
It can't compete with the power and weight of a car, so If you ride in traffic, you might get hurt.
If you can't control it, you may hit the curb, fly over the handlebars, and hit your head on the pavement!
Maybe you shouldn't ride a bike at all.

And Tefi, please, save your "saves lives and prevents injuries" line for bumper stickers- go save a whale!

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xdavidwattsx Anonymous

Some of you people are amazing.

"It discourages people who might otherwise hop on the bike for a quick ride down to the store.. because they don't want to get suited up in 'safety gear'."

What, it takes all of 4 seconds to put on a helmet?

You guys think being safe will prevent your head from hitting the pavement, but I'm sure most people who have been blindsided by other bikers, pedestrians or cars said the same thing.

These laws are no different than having to wear a seatbelt in a car or plane, or being able to drink and drive. Contrary to popular belief, at some point the government needs to step in and save people from their own stupidity.

"I have ridden a bicycle for 42 years with no head injuries."

So what, that means you won't have a head injury tomorrow?

Shut up and put a helmet on already. A brain is a valuable thing to protect even though it appears some of you don't seem to use it much. Helmet technology has come a long ways. They are pretty lightweight and unobtrusive these days.

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Rick Yost Verified

xdavidwattsx- nice cut and paste work.

The point has been lost- I must admit I helped lose it, but...

It's not that I'm questioning whether it is safer to do anything with a helmet- just don't force me to wear one for my own safety. Let me decide how I want to risk my own well-being.
Next you'll want me to stop shooting heroine, or handling snakes because it's dangerous. Sheesh!

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Clay213 Anonymous

xdavidwattsx

I hope you have your helmet on at all times. Walking.. sleeping.. standing..

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OpusthePoet Anonymous

After surviving an attempt to use a motor vehicle as a murder weapon because I was riding on the street I would never ride without a helmet. I also think helmet laws suck. I also think mandatory airbags in cars suck, seatbelt laws suck, in fact every law that requires people to protect themselves against their will sucks. Smart people will wear protective equipment, stupid people will die and be harvested for their organs. BTW a bike helmet is basically worthless in a bike-car crash, mine may have saved my life but I still suffered brain damage. What will make riding a bike safer would be actually enforcing the laws against assault with a deadly weapon, the motor vehicle. Like what happened to me where there were 3 lanes and 2 vehicles, and the motor vehicle changed lanes to hit me. What hurt me most was the fact that the police discarded the physical evidence so they wouldn't have to investigate the assault.

Opus

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