John McClelland Verified

It is sad people can not be smart enough to look at the facts and think for themselves. It takes a rapper to tell them how to vote because of a catchy hook.

When the rap song is aired, will the political disclaimer of the Vote No committee be read, or should we be ready to file the Texas Ethics Commission complaints?

Also, how many poor black folks in South Dallas would be using this toll road?

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Shawn Williams Verified

Where were these types of comments for the "Swift Boat" Ads?

I say let the target audience decide whether the ads are condescending or not. Many of the people know Dooney and don't mind hearing his "take" on the subject, even if it was paid for (I don't know).

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Michael Davis Verified

"It is sad people can not be smart enough to look at the facts and think for themselves. It takes a rapper to tell them how to vote because of a catchy hook."

That's a strong statement. I'll leave you to clarify that.

Exactly how is this different than using country songs in commercials during NASCAR events? Or using latino songs on commercials during Univision shows? It's marketing dude.

Classical music commercials don't fit on a hip-hop radio station. As part of the target audience, I'm not offended.

When it's something that political related, people get worked up especially if it's not the side they support.

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Michael Davis Verified

They're highlighting the reasons that they think are important. I can't knock them for that. Really, the ad wasn't done for the approval of anyone except the target audience. In the political world, that's how it's done.

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John McClelland Verified

"Political world" tactics or not, I still think it is sad. I have no reason to further clarify my statement. It is what it is.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Blatant racism in this thread, jebus. The "poor blacks" in South Dallas are the only ones who listen to hip-hop in this metroplex? Only blacks period are the target audience of a rap song? Hmmmm

Have y'all even heard the song? I haven't, but I severely doubt it's just a baseline and Dooney repeating "Vote no! Save the Trinity" for 60 seconds.

Not to mention, considering K104 was recently reported at the top of the rating charts for morning talk shows and 97.9 is 4th, it's not a bad idea to market on these stations.

And Nathan, any kind of campaign is directed at the uninformed - until I have some knowledge of its existence and cause, why would I vote for or against it?

Would appreciate if someone could link to an MP3 of the song.

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Michael Davis Verified

I heard the song a week ago. Since y'all are so worked up about it, I take it you all voted today? I sure hope so.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Thanks Mike.

The song seems to serve its purpose just like any other political ad: points out what could change if it goes into effect and discouraging its passage b/c of it.

Not saying I support it; just saying y'all need to ease up - mang.

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Rick Yost Verified

I'm not sure where the 'jump on the bandwagon' phrase came from, (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) but I'd say it comes from an era long ago when politicians used to have a 'band wagon' following their own as they traveled about campaigning. You have to get the people's attention- to do anything.

And you know, it's been mentioned here that, "It is sad people can not be smart enough to look at the facts and think for themselves."

Society needs to see that anti-poverty programs, and low-income education initiatives are a must.
The more educated the entire population- not just the upper-class, white guys and gals- the better off everyone is.

Ignoring, and dismissing un-educated minorities will come back to bite Dallas in the butt. Ultimately, America as well.

11 months, 2 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )

John McClelland Verified

Yes everything MUST be racist when you point out the dumbing down of the black culture. And I MUST also be racist for pointing out that many black people in South Dallas are poor. And of course I also MUST be racist for inferring K104 markets to black people.

Let's be realistic. I am a white guy who grew up listening to rap music and was lower middle class at best. That does not mean K104's rap song by Mr Dooney is marketed to me. Their demo is African American.

Let's also be realistic that Vote No has come out and specifically targeted the poor black residents of Oak Cliff by threatening their homes with continued flooding if they do not vote for this road.

I would tell you to wake up and smell the coffee, but you would have to drive north of Oak Cliff to get to the nearest Starbucks!

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Scott Doyle Verified

No, it's racist to presume a rap song is merely intended to sway poor blacks who you deem dumbed down. Rap & hip/hop has a ridiculously broader appeal - they're well aware of the demographic multitude their genre spans, and you're blatantly ignoring this.

If your "reality" is that only black people are marketed by rap & hip/hop after stating you're a white guy who grew up listening to it (not simply tuning in now and then), you're ridiculous...literally worthy of ridicule.

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Rick Yost Verified

I guess it would be racist to say that the only folks who still listen to Lawrence Welk are really old, white guys- although there may be exceptions, this is probably close to true.

Just because we experience a certain demographic, listening to a certain genre, doesn't mean we're being racist to make certain assumptions from this experience.
Marketers and advertisers think along these same lines everyday- and we don't complain that they're racist.

You could split hairs and say that the entire human race is racist, because we tend to gather in separate races.

What's that all about?

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Rick Yost Verified

While we're so close to the subject...

I don't think that racism has lessened much since the '60s.
In the '70s, a few powerful white guys got together in a board room and discussed business.
They realized how much more money they could make off of minorities if they allowed them to become real consumers. Apparently bad press from past lynchings was becoming bad for business.
So they simply morphed the 'master' into the machine of American 'bling' and morphed the whip into a credit card.
"Word up!"

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Scott Doyle Verified

Rick, wish you would have seen my comment in its original context last Friday in the Target/iPod/box of rocks thread. And if you haven't seen the Foxxy vs. the Board of Education episode of Drawn Together, I encourage you to (Season 2, iirc).

Anyhow, it's not racist to point out that black people listen to rap music. I, personally, certainly believe it's racist to insinuate this song's intent was to take advantage of uneducated, poor black votes simply b/c it has a hook. Obviously demographics come about b/c of differences, but things highlighted here weren't coincidental. Honestly, don't care anymore - thread's going nowhere fast anyways.

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Rick Yost Verified

LOL, I understand.

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Scott Miller Verified

Just for the record, there are numerous Starbucks in Oak Cliff. I know. They just put another one in my neighborhood Tom Thumb. The bastards!

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