Wednesday, October 24, 2007 , Updated 1:39 p.m., January 3, 2008
UPDATED: Dallas Deputy Pro Tem Mayor Caraway to urge youth to “Pull Yo Pants Up”
You gotta love the bureaucratic language of government press releases: Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Dwaine Caraway will hold a news conference at noon today announcing billboards and a hip-hop song "related to the public display of undergarments" (most likely the one you can hear to the right, which Shawn Williams told us about last week).
Man, if you can't be clear about a simple thing like not wanting people to wear their pants low, then it's no wonder that the Trinity vote is so confusing.
UPDATE: Caraway and his billboards have changed tactics and gone to the big guns: Grandmas. At least they finally got their grammar right.
Posted by Alex B.
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John McClelland, says:
Why doesn't Mr Caraway go back to dealing with his district's stray dog problem? Because that cause actually made sense and is worth the time of the city.
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Rawlins Gilliland, says:
John, your comment suggests that Councilperson Caraway is only capable of addressing one ‘issue’ relative to his district while in office. You infer, for instance, that Caraway...by noting the self-defeating ridicule that the pants-to-your-knees fad has wrought relative to the black community…. in the name of ‘look at me, I’m a tough cat in da hood’,….that he cannot also manage to pay attention to the very real issue of stray dogs…. that are the result of it being ‘un-cool’ (unthinkable?) to spay or neuter one’s animals in much of Dwayne’s World, …where animals run free and breed freely as does, it seems, much of 21rst century America…then Mayor Pro-Tem Caraway should have never run for office.
Bottom line: These days, the chance to be able to concentrate on one thing at a time single-mindedly is no more likely than me awakening to find I have Cuban’s money and Pitts’ face and body. In other words, Dream On.
Right on, Dwayne.
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luniz, says:
This is a much better way of attacking the "problem" than making it illegal. I mean think about it, you make sagging illegal and it only becomes more "thug", more desirable. OTOH, make it known that wearing your pants like that started out as a way of indicating that you're a prison b itch, and suddenly it's less fashionable.
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Gregory, says:
You know what I don't like?
Those little mustaches, that people have, where they shave all but the little bitty line that's RIGHT on the top of the lip. Like John Waters.
Dwaine Caraway has one. And I'd like them banned. They're an eye-sore.
Oh, and people who eat with their mouths open. I'd like them banned as well. Punishable by death.
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Michael Davis, says:
There are a bunch of ordinances in the pipeline courtesy of Dwaine regarding drug houses, stray dangerous dogs, and many others. Just so you know...
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John McClelland, says:
No merely suggesting going after saggy pants is a waste of time and tax payer money. I also said the same, before he was even a candidate for office. You can find the comment in the DMN. If you want your kids to wear a belt, try raising them right.
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luniz, says:
John you realize that a lot of people that do this grew up with parents that do the same thing? A large part of the community wants people to at least cover "themselves" and to realize what it is that this "style" indicates. And so the community is handling it. I don't get why everybody has such a problem with this. It's not like pulling your pants down to your ankles so everybody can see your butt is a political statement. It's not that much to ask for. The people who think it's stupid and disrespectful to walk around with your butt hanging out are just as entitled to voice their opinion as you are.
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Rick Yost, says:
You can not legislate taste, no matter how bad it might be.
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Scott Doyle, says:
luniz, issue is that it's entirely ineffective and they could use the funding for a better cause. Our problem is that there are much more important issues than sagging pants.
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Rick Yost, says:
I wonder if we'd feel such repulsion if girls did this instead of guys. No boxers though, briefs and thongs only.
Hey, you have to draw a line somewhere.
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John McClelland, says:
Luniz,
I agree you can have that opinion. I think having pants down on your butt is stupid.
But when opinion crosses over into needless legislation, that is when it becomes ridiculous.
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luniz, says:
It's not being legislated here. That's the whole point. There's no funding being taken away from anything else. Everybody involved in this effort seems to be members of the community who are trying to explain to the younger generation that this style has a completely different implication to a lot of people, than what it has to them. I'm talking a generational difference here, white people have nothing to do with it.
Quit leaping to unwarranted conclusions. However important you don't feel this issue is, there are plenty of people that do feel it's important. I'm not speaking for south Dallas here, just older people I've talked to. They can't affect Darfur or the war in Iraq, but they can try to get people to cover up at least most of their boxers.
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Robert Kelly, says:
I'm just wondering why the parents of these kids aren't being called out as well? Its easy for a councilman to go after kids, but why not the ones that should be taking responsibility for their children. Sometimes it takes a village, but sometimes it just takes an ass whoopin.
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Rick Yost, says:
You can't blame parents for everything. At some point your children become individuals with minds of their own. Just because they are young, doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable for their foolish actions.
Maybe getting some of these young folk's sports, music, and movie heroes to attest to how un-cool this behavior is might help.
Oh, no, wait...they learned this behavior from their heroes- never mind!
In this staunch-individualistic, super-cool, surviving-being-beaten-down-by-the-Man, personal-power, macho-John Wayne-"pop a cap in your a..." culture we've created; pushing for conformity seems counter-productive.
The more fuss you make about this, the more you'll see it.
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John McClelland, says:
Rkisok,
If you take your belt off to whip the kids, your pants will fall down your butt and offend somebody :)
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Erin Rice, says:
CNN's best legal stories of 2007 mentions Atlanta's version of this issue. The analysts pointed out that if the law passes there against sagging pants, it would include other clothing faux pas such as a mere bra strap that falls outside a sleeveless shirt. Yikes!
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Rawlins Gilliland, says:
ERIN'S POINT TAKEN: Restricting a man's right to expose his ass is a slippery slope. (Unless they're flat-assed white dudes, in which case it's more like a bean bag ashtray but that's below the belt.)
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Laura Evans, says:
Right - like i'm gonna take fashion advice from my grandma. This just keeps getting worse and worse
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Scott Doyle, says:
Straight from da <a href="http://hiphopgovernment.org/">HHG</a> y'aaaaaaaaall:
Word to ya grand-motha.
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Chad Jones, says:
If there's one thing the older generation can impart on today's youth, it is certainly pant-wearing tips.
<img src="http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/01/03/oldman.jpg">
New slogan: "They ain't top knotch 'til it feels weird in yo crotch."
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Pavel Lishin, says:
Thanks, Chad. I needed to laugh out loud and get weird looks from coworkers.
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Scott Doyle, says:
You're sure it's the laughing, Pavel?
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DC, says:
There's a finite number of hours and dollars to the week. If a council member is on the city time clock doing useless press conferences and appearances on Dr. Phil he should be ready to answer why pants are more important than property taxes, clean water, access to Parkland community clinics, homelessness and a host of other issues.
In the meantime "related to the public display of undergarments"
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Chris Kidd, says:
Caraway is wasting the taxpayers money with this joke of a campaign, why not use those funds to help out ALL OF DALLAS, not just the droopy pant wearing idiots in his "home district", christ almighty we have serious issues in this city when it comes to public healthcare, police coverage, street and sewer repair, not to mention a school district that is still performing bottom of the barrel when it comes to educating his "droopy pants" consitituancy. Tell ya what Dwaine, take care of the real issues first before you dedicate your free time to your fools crusade. Spend the money out of your own pocket, dont involve city funds and we'll be good.
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Aaron Johnson, says:
chrisdanger, the billboards and ads were donated, so no tax money was used as far as I understand it.
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Chris Kidd, says:
Thats fine, as long as my tax dollars arent being used to fund the latest thing in a long line of items that have made this city a laughing stock.
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OpusthePoet, says:
Can I start a campaign against wearing strangulation devices as a decoration (ties)? And get city government to pay for it?
Opus
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pflassh, says:
Life before Stylists and Remixers! I watch at the West End bus station the struting of these seekers of HIP. Who have to HOP to keep thier pants on. They appear to be sportin a load or took it HARD'N LONG last night!
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Peter Stawicki, says:
I was at a Coppel HS basketball game yesterday. I was assualted upon arrival by the rap music being played at high volumes and I was disgusted to see several young, mostly black, teenagers walking extremely slowly through the gym with their pants low enough to impede their movement.
I dont know why I dont like the look, and I don't know why I HATE the rap music but obviously I have become my parents (Im 39). I just wish the current generation would get over both (yes I know how long rap has been with us)and move onto whatever the next fashion statement is.
Do I think the goverment should regulate the dress code. Of course not. Your urinating into the wind on this one. Should millions be spent in public service campaigns to encourage the kids to pull up their pants? Of course not - those kids see the publicity and they pull their pants lower. Do what my parents did when I went to school looking like Robert Smith or worse yet that tiny lead singer from Flock of Seagulls - They overlooked my freakish stylings and in the end I outgrew it because employers wouldnt give me a job if I looked like that.
Hopefully this generation too will get over it and maybe something stylish like the pompadour will come back in - ok maybe something really stylish.
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Scott Doyle, says:
in the end I outgrew it because employers wouldnt give me a job if I looked like that.
Haha, you should visit PegNews headquarters sometime.
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Chad Jones, says:
A Chicago suburb is making the news <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pull-up-your-pantsjul19,0,6961059.story">for instituting a $25 fine</a> for any saggers caught exposing 3 inches or more of their underwear.
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