Sunday, September 9, 2007
Dallas adding even more red light cameras
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Dallas City Council Meeting
- When: Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2007, 9 a.m.
- Where: Dallas City Hall, 1500 Marilla Street, Dallas
- Cost: Free
- Age limit: All ages
DALLAS The Dallas City Council will be asked to approve forty (40) additional red-light cameras at its meeting on Wednesday, September 12.
This item is on the Consent Agenda (Addendum) and calls for an increase of $15.8 million in the City’s contract with ACS State and Local Solutions, Inc. The original 5-year contract in the amount of $13.3 million with ACS was approved a year ago.
The City estimates that the FY 2007 profit from that contract will be approximately $5.5 million.
Starting September 1, the all local governments must share one-half of the profits from their red-light cameras with the State of Texas. The State is expected to receive about $165,000 for the month of September.
Both the City and the State are expected to receive about $19.5 million in net revenue profits for the six subsequent years.
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Scott Doyle Verified
Wait, what?
The cams aren't bringing in the revenue anticipated...so they're going to sink costs into installing more?
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Aaron Johnson Verified
Brilliant! Problem: Not enough money coming in. Solution: Throw money at the problem! Such a better idea than what they taught us in business school about limiting your losses.
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
kirk Anonymous
Aaron: Obviously, you didn't go to HBS. There, they apparently teach that when you have a quagmire, you need to create a Surge to win it.
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Aaron Johnson Verified
No, I obviously didn't.
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Aaron Johnson Verified
At $19.5M revenue for $29.1M in expenses we only end up with a 33% loss, I guess that's pretty good for government. I personally look for a positive net present value with an IRR in the teens, but then again I subscribe to the old world theory of logic.
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Scott Doyle Verified
Depends, really. Bob referred to the $19.5M as "revenue profits" which isn't terribly clear - profit is entirely different than revenue.
I think the $19.5M is half of anticipated revenue considering the state now gets 50% of whatever revenue is generated, and Bob states Dallas & TX expect this figure. So, seems they're projecting this deal to pay out $39M total...but TX gets almost $20M for doing absolutely nothing (that I know of).
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
John McClelland Verified
If you law abiding folks would just do your part and run the red lights, you would be contributing much needed funding to the city. The city can not sustain such a program if you continue to abide by the law.
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Aaron Johnson Verified
I'm going to stop at red lights just to spite the city of Dallas! That'll teach them!
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Clay213 Anonymous
Maybe they should tie the revenue from the red light cameras to the Trinity River Project...
'If y'all don't start runnin them there red lights we're ganna need to build a toll road in the trinny rivver'
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Mike Orren Staff
Think it's not about the money?:
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2007...
1 year, 1 month ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
rkeytech Anonymous
Just moved here from Scottsdale AZ. Their traffic courts border on violating your civil rights. 90% of all tickets in Arizona are issued in Scottsdale by cameras. That's a fact. Red light cameras do somewhat prevent runners, however the next step is speeding cameras. While it may seem that these are good methods of prevention they are a violation of our due process rights and eliminate the human element. Not all people that seemingly run lights, (innocent till proven guilty), or allegedly speed should be ticketed. How do you determine if they were really running the light or not? The line in the sand is firm with cameras, but may be in reality out of focus. Cases are not always black and white. That's a fact. The purpose of government is to protect people's interests not to generate thousands of extra dollars without regard to particular situations or citizen's extra legal expenses to fight bad policy. The City of Scottsdale has a lot of cameras and they also have about 30+ windows at there traffic court. It is only to generate new revenue. This is unethical politics. Do we really want this oppression in Dallas? Scottsdale's traffic court lobby looks more like a race track betting counter. It's basically big business. The municipalities should be required to have an officer cite you at the time of violation, not an envelope mailed to an address that they can't verify whether you received it. Due process means humans serving the warrant or violation, promptly. Due process isn't 4-5 weeks later, it's at the time of violation. If governments weren't so large they wouldn't need extra revenue generators. Cameras don't give the ticket at the time you commit the crime. Speeding and red light citations, have the intention of prevention, and should not exist to supplement a municipality or states revenue. I say no to more cameras and I am not alone in this opinion. Just ask anyone that has ever lived in Scottsdale and moved out of there because of this oppressive policy...Cameras really need a second look, there are intended to generate income and do not really prevent as much as they generate income for greedy municipalities!
1 year ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Mike Orren Staff
Welcome to town, rkeytech!
1 year ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Mike Orren Staff
And then, they start shutting them down:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedconte...
Dumb enough government jackanapes to be picked up on Fark and Engadget too.
6 months, 4 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Erin Rice Staff
According to the linked article, the cameras, along with lengthened yellow lights, have reduced red light running by up to 50% at certain intersections. Isn't that a good thing?
But they are crying about the results anyway. So what they're confirming for me is that they really just did this for the money. My world is shaken.
6 months, 4 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Scott Doyle Verified
Obvious solution is to do away with yellow lights altogether (but only at intersections with cameras).
Not only would revenue skyrocket, we'd have some awesome collision pics to fear-monger with!
6 months, 4 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Pavel Lishin Verified
It's a great thing if you want to stop fatalities and stuff. But if you're also interested in revenue from ticketing people who run red lights, then it's not really that great.
6 months, 4 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Scott Anonymous
I wonder how much of the revenue shortfall arose from people who caught wind of the fact that these civil citations can be pretty much ignored with impunity.
6 months, 4 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
Scott Doyle Verified
Scott (anonymous), not sure about collection rates...but apparently there was an anticipated 21 violations per day per camera, while reality yields only 15 (half a year ago...on prime numbered days).
6 months, 4 weeks ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )
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