Kay Anonymous

This story has had a fishy smell since day one ...IMNSHO ...It's always reeked of a Katrina/Waco mix of government-mission.

Tonight I saw a story on WFAA that there was no 16 year old girl calling about abuse. Whether we will ever get the whole story remains to be seen, but if history is any "go-by"...much will remain hidden.

I hate that the kids are being taken away from their families. Sounds too much like the "Katrina method" in use again ...

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Kay Anonymous

The raid was based on a hoax. Why did they go into the compound with combat gear and combat-type equipment without checking into the facts that have now surfaced... and fairly quickly... after the fact? Aren't we only hearing the one side? Aren't possibly hundreds assumed guilty by association and by "what might happen sometime in the future". Can everyone be taken into government custody simply becasue of some possible violation that could possibly happen sometime in the future?

Again, IMO this entire event just does not pass the sniff test.

http://tinyurl.com/5dbtac

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momzilla Anonymous

I'm one to look for the silver lining and found it interesting (as a parent who homeschooled two of my three children at various times) that the state acknowledged that the children were likely somewhat ahead academically and made homeschooling a condition of their placements in foster homes. In this decision they also acknowledged the reality of bullying in public schools.

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Kay Anonymous

If anyone thinks for a moment that these children will be "better off/safer" in Texas Foster Care perhaps they should do some investigating into the abuse of children WHILE IN FOSTER CARE!

I did ... and found that while Gov. Perry continues to hide reports/data on foster care abuse, we do have recorded data on: Medicaid prescription drug fraud, deaths, poisonings, rapes and pregnancies of children in the state's foster care system.

Did you know? If you compare the number of deaths of children in Texas to the number of deaths in TX foster care system, a child is 4 times more likely to die in our state's foster care system!

Did you know? In ONE year (2004 data from HHSC) about 100 children received treatment for poisoning from medications, that 63 received medical treatment for rape that occurred WHILE IN THE FOSTER CARE system, and that 142 children gave birth WHILE IN FOSTER CARE!

Did you know? Many children are in more abusive situations NOW than they were before the state intervened.

Did you know that psychotropic drugs are being prescribed to children as young as 3 years old in the foster care system, even though the drugs are not approved for children?

If THESE are things we know, can you imagine what the state continues to hide?

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tx_dem41 Anonymous

Update to the story...

Officials: 31 of 53 girls from sect ranch have been pregnant

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iI...

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Kay Anonymous

June 11 update: YES! Judge tells CPS to shut down the YFZ investigation!!! But it's not over yet....more appeals. :::sigh:::

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com...

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Clay213 Anonymous

Forced marriage, incest, rape, and repeated early pregnancy_|| Chance of dying in foster care...

hmmm Tough choice

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Clay213 Anonymous

'Yearning For Child-Rape' would be a more fitting name for this funny farm

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Kay Anonymous

Clay,

In case you've not been reading past your accusations, what this was actually begun on was exposed as a hoax. Can you understand that "for the locals like Sheriff Doran and Judge Walther, IMO the real purpose of the raid was never to investigate child abuse but to run the YFZ Ranch residents flat out of the region."? ...

(However, it may all have backfired on them. Since folks are forced to stay at the ranch rather than return to Arizona, it's possible others will now come to join them since they can't leave. Apparently they have already ordered hundreds of new voting cards. Don't you think the next local elections will be interesting?)

...Running them out of the area seemingly was openly discussed, included suggestions that the entire ranch's assets be seized to pay for this CPS overreaching fiasco.

Thank you Texas Supreme Court and 3rd Court of Appeals, but this is far from settled. Perhaps an entire new group of local officials will be in place by the time it is.

As stated, this was NEVER about the safety of the children anymore than the illegal war/occupation was about bringing freedom to the people of Iraq.

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DC Anonymous

"I am not going to allow CPS or any other agency to interfere with parents in this state."

???

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Kay Anonymous

Apparently, this is about parents in families where there is no allegation of abuse, DC.

"This could be the beginning of a chain of events that could actually shut down CPS' investigation into families where there's no allegation of abuse, whereas the Supreme Court's ruling merely sent the kids home but allowed the investigation to continue."

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jtmbls Anonymous

Since you have your statistical hat on; Do you have any data on the suicide/drug/alcohol related deaths of children and adults raised in similar cults? It is a cult after all. We have seen this occur time and time again. You would think we could have come up with a better way of dealing with this issue by now.

There is just no winning for the government in a situation like this. Either we turn a blind eye and allow something awful to continue, or we go in, muck it all up and then have listen to armchair politicians tell us how we mucked it all up.

I just find it hard to believe that there is some evil genius in office somewhere dreaming up ways to terrorize poor, unsuspecting people. You don’t see us messing with the Amish just because they are different and wear funny dresses. But then they don’t lobotomize their women and take advantage of children.

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Kay Anonymous

"I just find it hard to believe that there is some evil genius in office somewhere dreaming up ways to terrorize poor, unsuspecting people."

Where exactly have you been -- particularly the past 8 years or so??

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jtmbls Anonymous

Well, obviously I have not been playing connect the random dots trying to figure out how many different ways people on this planet are conspiring against me. Mostly just believing that the majority are a lot like me – Just doing the best they can with what they have.

So take a deep breath, take down the tin foil and relax for a minute. Not every wound is intentional - or personal for that matter.

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Kay Anonymous

Hmmmm...you can't be talking to me, I haven't had a statistical hat since I left it someplace in Dallas back in the early '80s probably.

Aren't all modern religions a form of "cult"? There has most likely been MORE documented abuse by members/clergy of the Baptist group than this one. And we won't even bring up all those Catholic Priests.

If you are wanting to compare numbers, be sure and include all - including the above - in fairness.

There are deviates in every religion, cult, neighborhood. Are you saying everyone belonging to these groups is guilty? That is what you are implying for the YFZ group.

The State overstepped its boundries whether it was a devious plot or whether it was local bias or plain stupidity...or 2 out of 3.

Once again, this group was set-up. The government is not the victim. Don't ask me why any group is chosen or not chosen for harrassment. There is plenty of information out there available to research so you can settle your questions, however.

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Clay213 Anonymous

And the leader of this group just happened to end up on the FBI Most Wanted list because he's such a good guy.

You've been eating too much MSG.

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Kay Anonymous

Maybe it's time to start to connect some of those dots. Unless of course if knowing what is really going on would be too much to deal with, then by all means continue the ostrich method.

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Kay Anonymous

Clay,

There are deviate leaders in every religion, cult, city/state/federal government. Are you saying everyone belonging to these groups is guilty? That is what you are implying for the YFZ group.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Yes, I’m saying anyone and everyone who knew of abuse was absolutely responsible for failing to intercede – in any religion.

Wow – Now we know there is at least one computer in Zion. That explains A LOT!!!

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Clay213 Anonymous

Do you even know anything about this group?

We aren't talking about rogue priests or a corrupt official here.

This 'church' was founded to break the law. That is the only reason they exist.

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Kay Anonymous

jtmbls,

You just made my point! You jump to conclusions! You don't care about facts first. So wrong are those conclusions from your knee-jerk-reactions I no longer will put any credence to any of your posts.

YOU'VE been the one that SAID ALOT! Well, actually, perhaps you've just said TOO much.

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Kay Anonymous

Clay,

This is getting hilarious on hand and ridiculous on the other. You ask me if I know anything about this group and what'sherface accuses me of BEING there.

I'm not defending what these people might believe nor am I deciding just how many "joined just to break the law".

They have not been proven to have broken any laws by simply BEING THERE. The government came in like Blackwater troops, the group was set up from the beginning of this 'staged event'. This was wrong. This has to be rectified without infringing upon the civil/legal rights of the innocent. The government can't make up rules as they go, like it or not. Only the King can do that....and the last I looked there was no king involved.

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jtmbls Anonymous

FACT: Bad hair

FACT: Ugly dresses

FACT: I couldn’t see their shoes but make a judgment call based on the first two

FACT: Scary, vapid, Stepford-ish eyes and monotone speech

Honey, crazy ain't that hard to see!

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Clay213 Anonymous

Ahahahaa-- what??

I'm not going to argue with someone who is so ignorant of what they are arguing about, just because they have some sort of axe to grind against 'big brother.'

I'm sorry that CPS took your baby away, but really, I can understand why.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Rick - I do understand your point but I truly believe that the checks and balances we have in place will keep the government from getting too out of hand. I am not at all trying to discount your POV but what troubles me is that groups like NAMBLA try to use the same sort of reasoning to justify their cause. To me, they are far, far more scary than the government.

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Kay Anonymous

This is not for everyone, especially those that prefer to get their information from SouthPark and LateNight comedy...

http://celticrebel.wordpress.com/2007...

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