Monday, August 18, 2008
Parker gymnast Nastia Liukin gets screwed takes silver in uneven bars
Nastia doesn't need a stinkin' uneven bars gold medal anyway.
In a result that I'm sure had nothing to do with the fact that the Olympics are in China, Parker/Plano gymnast Nastia Liukin won the silver medal in the uneven bars event despite the fact that she had the same score as 13-year-old Chinese gymnast He Kexin. Liukin "lost" the gold because she had a higher deductions average than Kexin, whatever that means.
Oh, well, I'm sure Liukin can soothe herself with her gold medal from the all-around competition.
Posted by Alex B.
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that girl has now taken away 2 gold medals from the US (and nastia), and they're still going to do nothing about it because her "legal passport" says shes 16... i think we should move the war over to china, and get our gold back.
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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He and Liukin have the same eye-popping difficulty value of 7.7.
I'm very confused right now. How could they have the same difficulty and end up with the same score if one had more deductions than the other?
Scott Doyle Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Could you say no to this face, Doyle?:
<img src="http://img02.beijing2008.cn/20080818/Img214559809.jpg">
Alex Bentley Staff
1 year, 3 months ago
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Communism.
jtmbls Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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Sorry but Nastia Liukin was born in Moscow (and, even more sorry but people in Texas do not name their daughters "Nastia"). Nothing against her at all, I'm just sayin....
Tracy Yost Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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that doesn't take away from the fact that china is cheating....
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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I say no to 13 year olds all the time, Bentley. If I didn't, I probably wouldn't be a free man.
Scott Doyle Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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who are you trying to kid ScoDo? you know no girls are coming after you, especially 13yo.s<br> :-)
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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China may be cheating, but if the best gymnast we have to offer is really from Moscow, I'm bored already.
Tracy Yost Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Alex :: Could you say no to this face, Doyle?:
Not without statutory rape charges showing up somewhere.
So we expect their "bookkeeping" quality to be any better than their manufacturing? My whiteboard here is made of the same stuff they ship in dog food and we expect the discrepancy between a "3" and a "6" to bother their leadership's conscience.
Maybe the Olympics will burnish the Chinese image for some, but my takeaway from it so far is that China is the totalitarian dystopia that Welles warned us about.
Jason Rice Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Tracy, Nastia moved to the U.S. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nastia_Liukin">when she was 2 1/2</a>. Since she's now 18 (almost 19), I'd say that qualifies us to claim her as our own.
Alex Bentley Staff
1 year, 3 months ago
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"China may be cheating, but if the best gymnast we have to offer is really from Moscow, I'm bored already. "
Not really sure what that has to do with anything.
/me puffs up and gets ready to defend fellow Russian immigrants.
Pavel Lishin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually, you'd be amazed at the Russian population in Plano. It's a popular state side destination and they really integrate well and immediately.
So if you ask me - Hell, Yeah! she's Texan!
Jason Rice Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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"Maybe the Olympics will burnish the Chinese image for some, but my takeaway from it so far is that China is the totalitarian dystopia that Welles warned us about. "
Agreed. Some of gotten so bogged down in the medal count that they've lost site of why China is such a problem to begin with. Personally, I find the Olympics even being held in a China to completely contradict the "Olympic spirit".
xdavidwattsx Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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Didn't mean to imply at all that I have anything against immigrants - was just trying to say that with china cheating, and many countries offering up athletes that aren't even from the country they represent, meh, the whole thing seems a little watered down anyway.
Tracy Yost Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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she was able to choose what country she represented... if she wanted to tryout for the Russian team, I'm pretty sure Russia would let her...<br> There's one Texan who swims for some African country. (but they are going by the rules)
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh, I wasn't saying that, Tracy -- just that there's a difference between someone who's lived in the U.S. virtually her entire life and someone who claims other citizenship for the Games only. She may be Russian by birth, but she's as American as me or, probably, you.
Alex Bentley Staff
1 year, 3 months ago
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NewsFlash: Nastia Liukin will star in the first of three segments in a proposed mini-series about Cindy McCain. Insiders tell Pegasus moles the working title of Liukin’s acting outing; A Post-Pubescent Pre-blonde: Bright Forehead On Her Shoulders.
Rawlins Gilliland Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Tracy - I agree with you that hiring foreign nationals to participate on your country's Olympic team is pretty shady. But I believe that Nastya is a citizen, as are her parents. Now, maybe her dad moved here specifically to hop on the Olympic team, but you can't really allow that to reflect poorly on America.
Pavel Lishin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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::Now, maybe her dad moved here specifically to hop on the Olympic team,
Again, I say Texan? Hell Yeah!! Chosing to lose ought to be a stigma. Not the other way 'round ;o)
Jason Rice Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Natsia's parents moved here when was 2.
From Wikipedia:
The daughter of two former Soviet champion gymnasts, Olympic gold medalist Valeri Liukin and World Champion rhythmic gymnast Anna Kotchneva, Nastia Liukin was born in Moscow and moved to the United States as a young child. She began gymnastics after spending time in the gym while her parents coached. Liukin is coached by her father at the World Olympic Gymnastics Academy, her family's gymnastics club in Plano, Texas.
From the Enquirer:
"You know that's John Edwards' baby!"
Rawlins Gilliland Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Rawlins you are funny :-)
Tracy Yost Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Ahahahaha.. it's the Olympics.. not the damn Presidency.
Clay213 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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yet if this was the NFL dallas would be all over it...
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Escuchame: Pavel was born in Moscow and he's absolutely a Wild West Texan if ever I saw one. As any reader knows, he's fired more shots than David Kunkle!
Rawlins Gilliland Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Meh, makes perfect sense to me that she represents the only country she knows. Do you remember anything from when you were 2.5 years old? I sure has hell don't.
Scott Doyle Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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No, Scott Doyle, I remember nothing from age 2.5 years.
ch0 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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From the Sportatorium column - "Collin County Confirmed as the Women’s Gymnastics Hub of the World" - http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sport...
Tracy Yost Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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you know, i was named after the same person the county was named after...
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Huh, can't believe whoever wrote that Observer post doesn't know where Parker is. Thought <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southfork_Ranch">Southfork Ranch</a> put 'em on the map pretty well.
Scott Doyle Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Alert: As the newly christened *'women's gymnastic hub of the world'*, is Collin banging more than those drums?
Rawlins Gilliland Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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she's 18 right? ...
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Here in Texas, the age of consent is 17, you impostor. You'd think a guy named after one of the drafters of the Texas Constitution and a "lay preacher" (whatever <i>that</i> is) would know...
Pavel Lishin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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right... and 18 is over 17... how dare you doubt my 9 (?) generational native Texan-ness
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Collin; You want the whispered Enquirer insider scoop or the official Chinese answer 'yes, she's 18'?
Like eating sushi open air at a Southlake football game in the blazing Texas heat; live life on the edge!
Meanwhile, Pavel, I didn't get much consent at the age of 17 so I'm filing an official protest.
Rawlins Gilliland Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Nastia made today's 'Hot Slut of the Day' over at Dlisted. That's when you KNOW you're a star, baby...
http://www.dlisted.com/node/27789
viva_la_malcriada Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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These comments are a bunch of creepy men making sexual comments about a teenager.
Real cool.
Clay213 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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"Mainly because they call her Nastia."<br> hardly a reason to be considered a "hot slut"<br><br>
Clay - Creepy men? shes only 4 years younger than me... and blame rawlins, he started this whole side of the conversation...
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Clay, my friend, relax knowing that: A) 'Lighten up' does not always mean 'think SlimFast'. B) Pavel and Collin are hardly 'creepy men'; they're rogue post-boy 20-something mutations coveting a legal lovely of their own age bracket gen Y cartel. C) The comments were tongue in cheek. (Not that there's anything wrong with that if that's your 'thing')4) la_malcriada is (according to her Pegasus profile and assorted friends como yo) a card carrying woman. In fact, said by her ex and assorted classmate allumni to be "hotter than an industrial blowtorch applied directly upon molten lava".
It's Monday. Nothing is scared until Wednesday afternoon.
Rawlins Gilliland Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Why don't they just win instead of being international complainers? The IOC made the rules that there wouldn't be shared medals and there's not.
DC Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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DC the IOC also gave an age requirement on participants, but apparently don't see a need to even investigate claims about that. The way they break the tie is also unfair pretty much they just leave it to the oppinions of three judges
Wicky29 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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I assume that the IOC is waiting till the Olympics are over, all the athletes are home and will then open an investigation into the age concerns. China does not have a good track record when it comes to complaints.
Andrew Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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they're saying that all the papers are legal and good to go, I don't think there's ever going to be any further investigation.
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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The government of China can make her be any age it wants. When you are in China, just say yes and smile. Do you want a bullet between your eyes?
See below. She was 13 just 9 months ago.
http://ibtimes.com/articles/20080815/...
snowboard9 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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It's easy to get legit papers when your government is cranking them out.
X-ray her joints. Don't children have growth plates or something until a certain age? (Thank you, <a href="http://uploads.postfarm.net/public/postfarm/uploads-2.0/h/house_not_lupus.jpg">Dr. House</a>.)
Pavel Lishin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Lesson learned: Never trust those crafty Chinamen!
Scott Doyle Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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How do I know you are pushing up the corners of your eyes right now?
jtmbls Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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Most Asian girls and women have the ability to speed up or slow down their aging process at will. It is entirely feasible that this girl, at the request of her trainers, went through two-and-a-half years of accelerated aging over the last nine months, in order to be eligble to compete. Know you round-eyes nothing??
ch0 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah, me too. It's called Crown Royal.
jtmbls Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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ch0 - But they have to give up the ability to metamorphose into animals and sentient mists, so it's not as common as it might be.
Jason Rice Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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1) I think it's reasonable to ask the judges to judge the contest. I think most athletes would rather have judges from the sport instead of an 'Idol' style call-in. Geez.
2) Maybe using strength and ingenuity for a routine would be a good way to win?
3) If there's going to be complaining on the juding, then Yang Yilin perhaps should have gotten the silver?
4) Trying to blame everyone from the IOC to Australia isn't going to make any difference other than to have us look like a bunch of whiners.
DC Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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Figured reasonable people have accepted that them's the rules and moved on to pre-pubescent athletes breakin all da rules?
Scott Doyle Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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DC, i don't care that she lost due to the tie breaking procedures, I'm mad that she lost to a girl who shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the first place.
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah but it's not like these age allegations haven't been a problem before. The sport of women's gymnastics has been littered with cases of suspected underage participants over the years (there was one particular case with a Korean gymnast who the reporters accused of being 10). The US gymnastics coaching staff was aware of the age issue with the Chinese women's team before the Olympic competition started (they competed in the World Championships earlier and there are many news articles dated prior to August 2008 that show this concern). Not that that's an excuse for the Chinese to cheat, but Karoli and the rest of the US coaches should've brought it up before the competition. Complaining after you've lost seems like a major case of sour grapes. Should've done it before if it was THAT important to them.
Donna Chen Verified
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YEAH
DC Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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For those (what three of us, maybe) not glued to slashdot - more data on expunged documents
Jason Rice Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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last night a reporter on NBC5 said, "the best time to see and <b>touch</b> her (Nastia) is here during that parade"...
So...
Collin Gouldin Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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Any word on when and where I can touch Michael Phelps?
snowboard9 Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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Can they issue restraining orders against entire user lists?
Jason Rice Verified
1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't doubt that the Chinese government can make up all sorts of numbers, but beyond some xls files, there are cultural issues regarding the calendar use that add a layer of complexity to the issue.
http://www.asia-home.com/china/cncaps...
Still, maybe they should have just won and shut up about it. This should have come at no surprise.
DC Anonymous
1 year, 3 months ago
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The FIG and IOC are looking into the <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/beijing/gymnastics/2008-08-21-age_N.htm?csp=34">China Age Controversy more!!!</a>
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