Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Break-in artist mishandles Grand Prairie home invasion, shoots self dead
Cameron Sands, 19 - a resident of Forth Worth - attempted to break into a Grand Prairie home in the 2800 block of Garden Grove Rd. early Wed. morning (June 18). In the process of shoving his pistol into his waistband for safe-keeping (after shooting at the homeowner), Sands shot himself in the lower abdomen.
Police pronounced him dead at the scene.
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Pavel Lishin, says:
Texas is so hardcore, even the burglars shoot themselves.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
jtmbls, says:
Brilliant! Nothing in the world like instant Karma!
Anonymous
1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
Camsauntie, says:
Our family is grieving enough we dont need to read this stupid BS... Cameron was a very good kid he just got woth the wrong crowd.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
Clay213, says:
19 isn't a kid.
Anonymous
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xdavidwattsx, says:
Who said Darwin was wrong?
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
palchik, says:
What does one need to do to not be considered a "good kid" these days?
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
12ozfred, says:
It is sad that he passed away but man...this guy tried to invade a house in the early hours of the day, and shot at the homeowner! The "wrong crowd" excuse...how many times have we heard that one??? If he acted alone then there is no need to blame the "crowd"...and I doubt the whole "crowd" was there to help him kick the door down.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
littlekinder, says:
Camsauntie -
I am sorry for your loss. I am sure you are hurting.
But another family could be hurting in the same way if his shot was more accurate.
I'm sure he was loved by everyone in his family, but at some point all of us are responsible for our own actions, regardless of who influences us. And I do think 19 is old enough for that responsibility. That's not BS, and I'm sure you know that. I'm sorry things turned out as they did.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
jtmbls, says:
littlekinder – I admire your patience.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
Kay, says:
I tend to agree with palchik and 12ozfred makes a good point.
No matter that - in some cases - folks considered "of age" are certain they are indestructible and are above the law/unconcerned with laws ... either universal or legal... I can promise you that if one doesn't get 'em, the other will. Sometimes both come down on 'em.
Just my opinion, but one probably relinquishes the title of "very good kid" when he arms himself, travels to the next county to break into a home and shoot at the homeowner.
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Pavel Lishin, says:
Let's go easy on Camsauntie, though - obviously she's going through the "blame others" stage of grief, and unless she bought Cam a handgun and asked him to wreak havoc, she's one of the innocent victims here.
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webmiester, says:
We should be sympathetic to Cameron Sands, I agree. He didn't mean to buy an unregistered handgun. He didn't mean to break into that house and shoot himself accidentally -- he was aiming for the homeowner. He just missed, that's all. We should feel sorry for this innocent break-in artist. All the homeowners who can sleep in peace should all be ashamed of themselves!
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Kay, says:
webmaster,
You make a good point, but your facts are a bit askew.
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Kay, says:
Sorry, it's webMIESTER...not webmaster.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
jtmbls, says:
The worst part being that because he shot himself instead of the homeowner shooting him, there is no one to sue! Sniffle...
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
Jason Rice, says:
Yeah, jtmbls, wanna join me for a candle light vigil for the lost attorneys fees?
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
Scott Doyle, says:
Heh...maybe homeowner shot him and couldn't drag him inside (as Mr. Yost would), so he planted a gun.
Either way, severely doubt the guy was selling vacuums - nobody's getting my sympathy on this one.
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1 year, 5 months agoLink to this comment | Suggest removal
Pavel Lishin, says:
Mr. Sands was found in the driveway, so perhaps the home-owner did drag him out there.
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Scott Doyle, says:
:smacks forehead:
Pavel, I was referring to <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/sep/09/new-texas-law-allows-us-carry-all-kinds-weapons-ou/#c26139">this comment</a>. Concern is that you're not defending your castle if you mow down someone outside of it...so when you shoot random people in your yard, you drag 'em inside before calling the cops.
No clue how old or physically fit the homeowners are - perhaps they shot before asking questions, couldn't move the body, and were left no choice but to plant the gun on him after the fact. Simply staying objective.
Doesn't change that he was likely trying to break-in, though - either way, got what was coming to him imo.
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jtmbls, says:
Well Jason, if Doyle doesn’t stop strategizing for the potential plaintiff, we may not need to after all.
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Jason Rice, says:
Yeah, Doyle has obviously had his caffeine today. I'm only following the thread till Yost weighs in.
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Scott Doyle, says:
Birthday shots were my undoing. Hungover = little motivation to work, lots of motivation to peg.
And don't judge me for thinking outside the box!
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Jason Rice, says:
Box? Box? You even remember there was once a box? Now I'm impressed. I thought you just lived out there having forgotten your way home.
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jtmbls, says:
Did your duck have a birthday?
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Rick Yost, says:
Stupid is as stupid does.
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Rick Yost, says:
I don't get around like I used to, but I guarantee you, if Doyle came to my door with a gun, and I shot him, I'd manage to drag his crying and sniveling heap into my living room.
Why should I risk an assailant suing me for their stupidity.
Sometimes you have to protect yourself from those intent on using the law against you. (Damn, did I say that out loud?)
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Rick Yost, says:
No offense intended Mr. Doyle- your name just came to mind.
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Kay, says:
OK Scott Doyle ...if you shoot an armed burglar outside the home in a driveway - then drag him inside, isn't there blood outside where he was shot? Do you drag him back out again after he bleeds inside a bit?? How quickly do you have to move to accomplish all this traveling before he runs outta blood?
Just askin'... Sheesh this got gruesome.
Oh yeah, IMO more folks should think outside the box!
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BobS, says:
Doyle, hangover, sniveling, birthday shots, duck ...
The lighter side of a failed attempted murder/robbery.
Don't worry Rick. At one time or another we all want to pummel Scott. (Or at least wait till he's passed out and dress him like Chita Rivera and dump him in a park.)
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Pavel Lishin, says:
Obviously you drag him inside, then drag him back out over the same blood trail - that way, you can claim you shot him inside and then retreated, and he crawled outside on his own power before expiring.
I mean, uh, not that I've given this a lot of thought or anything.
But don't break into my place. I don't know if I'd give a burglar the chance to press charges.
And BobS, if you entertain dreams of wrestling Scott, I highly advise you to attend a birthday barhop. It always takes... <i>extra diplomacy</i> to convince him that he needs to get in the car so we can go home.
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Scott Doyle, says:
Lower Greenville is built for birthdays, my friends: Many bars in close proximity of each other who give free birthday shots. Unfortunately, the next 24 ain't that grand. The dawn of this revolution around the sun hasn't been easy on my duck.
Rick, no worries. In fact, my intelligence is more insulted than anything. Clearly I'd farm out the hit to a hobo working for a sandwich - oh_sweet_irony! Just gotta be sure to pick a good crazy one so I'll have an alibi if he sings in the interrogation room.
Kay, I honestly figured a water hose would do the trick on the blood...but dragging in and back out is quite the idea. Noted.
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ch0, says:
Yuk it up, clowns! A young man is dead, and a nice lakeside suburban neighborhood's innocence is shattered!
If someone threatens your life and there is no retreat, you disable them, then you tell the truth when the Law arrives. What else is there? Your schemes only muddy perceptions of your intent. Deal in truth, then die according.
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Kay, says:
chO
JMO: Admittedly this place is full of clowns... but noone was serious about lying to authorities. Noone was trying to muddy up the investigation.
BTW I guess you never spent any behind the scenes time with those in law enforcement or hospital care givers/workers or funeral directors? This is not uncommon conversation...even by those 'on the scene'.
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Rick Yost, says:
cho- Yes a young man IS dead, by his own foolish hand. And shattered innocence is usually costly, but if learned from it can be positive.
Many of us here DO deal in the truth. But if you think just dealing in truth will keep you from dying needlessly, talk to those released from years in prison by DNA testing.
When it comes to legal matters you may find yourself dealing with someone else's truth.
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jtmbls, says:
"a nice lakeside suburban neighborhood's innocence is shattered!"
Uh, have you been to Grand Prarie?
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owee, says:
I am Cameron's big sister and whatever story you all read is absolutely incorrect...if you actually knew the true story behind my brother's death then you all would not say such stupidity!!! I hope none of you have to go through the pain and torture of such lies, but then again I DO hope that your child or sibling passes away and they lie about the nature of their death. And then remember my comment...and I hope you feel like the stupid fks that you are!!!
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Clay213, says:
HE WAS FRAMED!
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Jason Rice, says:
Hey, this does pose and interesting and difficult question - probably addressed in 500 other threads that I'm just too lazy to have discovered yet -- but let's say you know a reported story to be false, what libel/slander/ethics preclude you from just blurting it out with details you have at hand in a forum like this? I do fear that kind of behavior decays rapidly to gossip-mongering but I really wonder what some precedents are.
Cuss at me for bandwidth waste here, but do it with links interspersed, please.
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Rick Yost, says:
owee- Please accept my sincere condolences for the loss of your brother.
If what you say is true, and the story we read was incorrect, maybe you could tell us your side. What really happened?
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Clay213, says:
"let's say you know a reported story to be false, what libel/slander/ethics preclude you from just blurting it out with details you have at hand"
Huh?
Truth can not be libelous, so I don't understand your question.
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Jason Rice, says:
Then you're not the one I need an answer from. When I need an argument on semantics, I'll give you a call. Thanks the same.
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1 year, 5 months agoMike Orren, says:
Clay & Jason: So testy for a holiday. I removed Clay's comment because the language was o'er the line.
To Jason's original question: The EFF has a good guide on defamation, etc: http://w2.eff.org/bloggers/lg/
In posting comments, you are responsible for your own words. The truth is the best shield against a claim, but anyone can file a law suit that can be costly to defend.
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Jason Rice, says:
DUH! The EFF -- Now I'm embarrassed. Thank you. That should keep me busy and out of trouble for a while. Mitch and co. I must be sleeping.
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flowe, says:
Let me get this right big sister! You hope that someone else's family member dies so they can feel that pain. What a idiotic comment. Not very mature. Your brother did not deserve to die but he was not a good kid. He was a immature adult who made a very bad decision to break in and shoot at someone and he paid the ultimate price. You have been telling everyone that he was murdered and dumped on the side of the road due to a drug deal gone bad. Yes, I know who you are. I felt really bad for Cameron when I thaught that he was an innocent victim. Now that I know the truth about what really happened, I feel duped. Again, I wish Cameron was still here but don't lash out at these people online that are not making stipid comments. For those who are your idiots too! Be reasonable people. Big sister and Auntie, when defending Cameron make sure you represent yourself and him accordingly.
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flowe, says:
What I meant to say was for those who are making racist or idiotic comments about Cameron's death, you are idiots too!
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jtmbls, says:
Wow! Have you been to the John Wiley Price school of interpretation? No one here even mentioned race! Where did that come from?
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Pavel Lishin, says:
Maybe the kid's a minority, so she just assumed someone would throw out some mention of race.
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Jason Rice, says:
My bad. My fault. I thought "beige, yeah beige looks good with those shoes" once while typing and that gets us right back into the Pantone nightmare.
Mea culpa.
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jtmbls, says:
Oh that's just awesome, so now it's just a given! The mind police will be here any minute now...
Good going Jason! Haven't you caused enough trouble already?
Cool shades btw.
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flowe, says:
You idiots! If you look at the postings people have made you will see the racist comment. It states " One less Ni*r!". Maybe it was removed, but I saw it.
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Pavel Lishin, says:
Flowe, you must be thinking of a different site. Even if someone here thought that, nobody would be dumb enough to post it.
I'm sure others have said this - but don't project onto us, please.
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Mike Orren, says:
I can verify that no such comment was ever posted here. The only comment removed from this thread is clearly marked and it was not racial in nature.
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EmpyreanEvents, says:
Oh great..
Now people will think I made the comment.
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Jason Rice, says:
Oh, yeah. Even if it wasn't a long-standing social taboo, Pavel would have a friggin' field day with you. And nobody likes making anything easy for Pavel.
And yeah, I missed the shades, too. So they're back - without David ;o)
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