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Dallas homeowner must clean up SWAT team mess

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Methinks this is a segment that might've gotten cut on <em>Dallas SWAT</em>.

Methinks this is a segment that might've gotten cut on Dallas SWAT.

Add this to the ever-growing list of how the Average Joe gets screwed: a Dallas family will have to repair their home themselves after a SWAT team destroyed portions of the house with tear gas canisters in the process of looking for a man who wasn't there.

Cristal Jaimes says she gave police permission to search the house for her brother, Cristobal, who's wanted for murder, but that the SWAT team instead chose to use the tear gas option after fruitlessly calling for him on a loudspeaker and using cameras to look in the house.

Posted by Alex B.


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jtmbls Anonymous

Cristobal - Sweet name! I should have been way more inventive when I named my child.

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12ozfred Anonymous

Just be careful with pronunciation games...some may say "CRYSTAL-BALL"

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jtmbls Anonymous

Ok - I am so white - How else would you pronounce it?

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Pavel Lishin Verified

I don't know how old you are, but I'm pretty sure that until they're 18, you own them and can change their name pretty much on any whim.

In fact, it might be a good punishment/reward strategy.

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Scott Doyle Verified

What really sucks is their homeowners policy likely won't cover this. Most have an exclusion for damage in the process of government action. Since the city probably isn't liable...they're boned. =(

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jtmbls Anonymous

So if the SWAT team had sent in skunks instead, insurance would take care of everything. Interesting.

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Scott Doyle Verified

How the hell would I know? Apparently being on earth for a quarter of a century doesn't qualify me to predict the trembling of our insurance markets on account of skunk warfare.

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12ozfred Anonymous

Crrris-toe-bahl! Notice I tried to spell out the rolling R...lol

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bobdon000 Anonymous

The homeowner should've withheld search consent until SWAT signed a waiver accepting all damage responsibility.

(disclaimer: I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice).

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jtmbls Anonymous

12ozfred - For some reason all I can hear in my head when I read that is the Count from Seasame Street. : \

bobdon - I don't think even Doyle's duck would confuse you with an attorney.

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Rawlins Gilliland Verified

A dear friend of mine could write this book. One night there was a shooting across the street from his house, ....a man who killed his wife and was holding up heavily armed when the SWAT team arrived. The SWAT team then commandeered my friend’s home across the street and used it as their encampment in the shoot out. My friend Michael’s house was heavily damaged as you can imagine; doors knocked in when the SWAT team moved in. Bullet holes everywhere. Windows shattered. The yard trampled. And let’s not even mention that the neighbor actually died in Michael’s front yard and collapsed bleeding over his walk way.

Did the city of Seattle do anything to help repair this grotesque mess? Very little and quite late. In fact Michael sold the house and left Seattle after that. And moved here where it is simply a person’s bad luck if they have the same thing happen to you. This makes no sense. Zero.

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Clay213 Anonymous

Couldn't they make a strong case that this violates the 5th amendment?

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Kay Anonymous

Rawlins,

You may find this of interest:

http://fpffressminds.blogspot.com/200...

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Kay Anonymous

Scott Doyle,

Realizing that I have grandchildren your age, please accept this in the spirit of the accolades in which it is meant.

Not so, you are qualified for a lot. IMO you are up at the top of that demographic pack.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Yeah Doyle...and your duck is sexy!

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Scott Doyle Verified

jtm, you wouldn't happen to be a member of Single Gourmet, would you?

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jtmbls Anonymous

I'm still too young to officially be a cougar, if that’s what you’re asking.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Before this goes down a road of creepiness...

Much appreciated, Kay. FWIW, you're definitely the most tech-savvy grandma I've encountered.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Hey that was your post that came from!

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Kay Anonymous

:) Scott Doyle,

Not exactly tech-savy, but perhaps I'm learning as I'm goin'...My Dad was online everyday well into his mid-90s...

1 year ago ( Link to this comment | Suggest removal )

Kay Anonymous

Apparently I still need new keyboard batteries... :::make a list:::check it twice, and leave the list at home::: :::Repeat on next week's shopping trip::: ...

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mackie Anonymous

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Cristobal.Ja... Maybe the suspect, Cristobal Jaimes, should be paying for the damage because if it weren't for him, the SWAT team wouldn't have been at his house. I don't think taxpayers should have to pay for this. And if the family was so cooperative with the SWAT team, why was there a five hour standoff?

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Clay213 Anonymous

mackie: The operative word in your post is 'suspect.'

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jtmbls Anonymous

mackie - Brilliant assessment! I might actually have to start adding you people to my favorites list.

Clay – Seriously, they don’t call out SWAT just on a hunch. If it were just some person of interest, or a “light” suspect, they would issue the warrant…send the Marshals out to poke around a bit. Perform a much less dramatic search. If SWAT is involved you can pretty much guarantee they’re after a big boy for very good reasons.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Clay, unfortunately his status as a suspect isn't going to fix the house that people currently reside in. And if/when he's incarcerated for shooting Mr. Martinez, how the hell is he going to pay for anything?

Can't blame SWAT for not taking a family's word for it, imo.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Speaking of favorites...What are you doing up at this hour young 'un? Careful - G-Ma might be watching!

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Scott Doyle Verified

I honestly have no idea what compels me to do these things.

But I will say this: I sometimes question alcohol being a depressant.

Work in the morning is going to suck. =(

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jtmbls Anonymous

Yeah, I had to squeeze in an early (in the week) happy hour after work since I am out of town starting Thurs.

I should call it a day but I have half a Miller Chill left...And multitasking between yahoo, myspace and peg...who needs sleep?

Except the SWAT team obviously... (relevance)

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Clay213 Anonymous

Whether it was SWAT or Barney Fife doesn't make a difference.

And regardless of his guilt or innocence, this basically gives the police free reign to destroy people's property with no compensation-- seems to be a violation of the 5th amendment to me.

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Pavel Lishin Verified

Taxpayers paid to have the house demolished. I don't see why they're off the hook to have it repaired.

I'd rather my taxes go up by a few bucks a year and rest assured that the police can't throw a kegger in my apartment and stick me with the cleaning bill.

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Jeremy Dunck Staff

@Clay213: Agreed, if the residents cooperated and the damage was due to the (possibly well-founded) caution in entering the house, the city is liable. The police opted to damage the house rather than accept higher risk in entering. Understandable, but still their choice.

IANAL, but I disagree w/ jtmbls that SWAT=justified.

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Alex Bentley Staff

IMO, IANAL has to be one of the most unfortunate web acronyms out there.

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Chad Jones Verified

OMG, BTW, 'IANAL' = LMAO, IMO. IJS.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Ha! I didn't realize it was an acronym. I just took it literally. What does it stand for?

That’s alright Jeremy. Most people tend to disagree with my stance on law enforcement. I am willing to accept that civility goes out the window when dealing with a certain element of our society, and I am most grateful to those willing to deal with it. It is unfortunate however when innocent people get caught in the fray.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Thank you Alex!

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Scott Doyle Verified

Concur with Alex, terrible acronym.

We don't really know what SWAT's primary concern was, so it seems a bit presumptuous to call out their tactics. After all, they're entering a suspected murderer's residence.

I'm wondering how many people's tunes would be different had the guy been inside, heavily armed? Again, I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time a family lied to the cops about whether their relative was inside.

Not that I disagree re: Dallas reimbursing for damages...but if we're going to call for it here, might as well call for it when they've actually cornered someone and engage in a shootout.

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twisteddog Anonymous

Seems more reasonable to just hang around and wait for the guy to come out. Probably costs the same as a deploying a whole SWAT unit and its associated teargas consumption. Also leaves fewer holes in the wall.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Oh, ok. So I guess people who are wanted for murder don't bother checking for cops before they leave the house. What was I thinking?

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twisteddog Anonymous

You can't stay in there forever, Lancelot.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Sure can waste a lot of people's time trying. IJS

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jtmbls Anonymous

I’m thinking if I were facing the needle or life in prison, I could get pretty comfy in the attic or the basement for a good long while. Especially if moms would bring me some Burger King every now and again.

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twisteddog Anonymous

Yeh, but what's time compared to destroying somebody's house?

Nobody gets to go to BK during a siege, Gwenevere. Not even for chicken fries.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Meh, like I said - we don't know their concerns or procedures. Waiting around outside could lead to a bullet in the head for somebody. Again, wanted for murder.

I'm not defending 'em...just saying I can understand their sense of urgency in detaining an alleged killer.

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twisteddog Anonymous

Storming a house only increases the likelihood that you'd get shot in the head. Besides, the majority of murderers are caught without destroying anything, which is most likely how this one will be caught.

Concerns and procedures are under review: http://tiny.cc/1ig59

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jtmbls Anonymous

Right, what is time after all, they only have how many other murderers to catch? And let's just hope they get to them all before they get to your family or mine.

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Scott Doyle Verified

Not as likely if you fill the house with teargas, twisted! (kidding)

I'm all for them revamping things, and I think community outreach is a great way to approach it. Keep in mind they don't really have to do anything, it'd be out of goodwill - I foresee people's expectations getting out of hand.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Drug war - Biggest waste of time and resources.

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Rick Yost Verified

I've said before that parents can't always be held accountable for their children's actions. However, having your child hunted by the cops for murder is a bit more extreme than I had in mind.
These folks should just head to Home Depot for some spackle and replacement window glass, and clean up their kid's mess.

Pavel- Chilling story link, thanks. I'll wager the pot in the story wasn't even the dead man's stash.

jtmbls- You're right. The war on drugs, the war on poverty, the war on terror, the war on cancer, and the war in Iraq. Pick one that's showing positive results.

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jtmbls Anonymous

Honestly, I am a huge proponent of holding parents legally and fiscally responsible for what their children do. I truly believe it would solve so many problems very quickly.

I think they're making great strides with cancer treatment. Not that we're winning - Yet. And I know I am sticking my neck out there with this one but…just off the top of my head I can think of three positive things that have come from the war in Iraq. Saddam, Uday and Qusay Hussein all very, very dead. Cold comfort perhaps and at what cost remains to be seen but, positive none the less.

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Rick Yost Verified

jtmbls- Strides in 'treatment' only makes the pharmaceutical folks and the medical profession a lot of money. Actual strides in a cure are not apparent.

I agreed with you on the war on drugs, but off the top of my head...

Five years later, thousands of young Americans dead, thousands more who've lost limbs, some suicidal, at an average cost of $100 billion a year, and you're telling me that the death of three bad guys is worth the sacrifice?
I disagree.

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jtmbls Anonymous

True but quality of life is very important also and just based on my very limited information on this subject, it seems that remission rates are increasing? Again, not a subject I am well versed on.

War is a horrific thing, no question about it. And that truly was just off the top of my head as I am currently lacking the time and energy to form any sort of cohesive argument. I would love to discuss another time though. Rain check?

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Rick Yost Verified

No worries! I'd love to just make it all go away too. But I can't.

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Kay Anonymous

Once again, I totally agree with Rick Yost!

IMO There is no "positive result" because there is no such intent for the "war" on anything listed...but there sure is b-i-g money in some elite's war-pocket.

We are NOT the world police ...at least not yet. Besides, "Bad Guys" labels come and go...on the same guys - depending on political usefulness. Do we know who's dead and who's alive? Don't we just know what we are told? We are told whatever is helpful to the administration's agenda.

Speaking of dead-guys. Anyone think that old OBL will be found and killed for GWB's next (final hurrah?) "mission accomplished" ? - no matter that OBL has already been dead for several YEARS now...maybe he'll be "found" and "killed" and in heavy make up we will get a glimpse of the body on TV before it is off limits. Isn't that the usual procedure? Will his "finding" somehow be THE final-straw-reason for war in Iran? Syria? Just askin'....

I agree with Yost's entire post BTW, including his view on parental responsibility of adult children.

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Clay213 Anonymous

Did someone say World Police??

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DC Anonymous

Off the original post, but the whole cancer research comment is pretty offensive.

For every person who's been successfully treated for childhood acute lymphoblastic anemia, Hodgkin's lymphoma, or testicular cancer there's a team of researchers who got them there. Sure, there's a long way to go, but it's not like it's been futile.

It's really rude to paint the war in Iraq with the same brush as medical research, especially considering the disparity in funding between defense and the National Institutes of Health.

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Rick Yost Verified

Just talkin' here...

Does anyone remember the slogan, "Power to the people!" The people of the U.S. have little or no real power anymore. We've given it up to 'the man'.

Our taxes are spent in ways we'd never dream of. Our workplaces have become politically correct and politically influenced.
The power of our vote seems questionable at best. Our world is marketed to us by the advertising machine, which is encouraged by the government so we'll continue to buy lots of useless stuff and our economy will be strong. We can't believe a word that is said by either our city, state, or federal governments. Nor can we rely on getting the truth from any media source. And as this story tells us, because of the war on drugs, and the war on terror, anyone with a badge and a gun has power over our lives.

It seems the price we continue to pay for freedom is capitulation.

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Rick Yost Verified

DC- No offense intended. I've been an insulin dependent diabetic for over twenty years. I've seen more than my share of doctors, researchers, and have been involved in studies over the years.
I'll admit, I'm lumping my disease into a pot with all the rest of the rampant medical problems that just never seem to be getting anywhere.
It's the 'maintenance' aspect of a chronic disease I have a problem with. Whether it be my case, or any of my friends with cancer, we all just seem to be treated like cattle.
I must have an insulin shot everyday. I have needed it for twenty years, and will need it until I die.
Yet, I still have to play this cat and mouse game with the medical profession and see a doctor (whether I'm experiencing any problems or not) and pay them to see me so they'll write me another prescription for a drug they know I'll die without.
I just have a problem with the way patients with chronic diseases are handled and worked. I feel less and less like a patient and more like a steady source of income.

Maybe I'm just bitter.

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Kay Anonymous

You hit the nail square on the head Rick!

Medical Patient = Income (period)

I'm mad/livid about the same "appointment for Rx" if I'm not sick/hurt! I keep putting them off and I'm considering trying something herbal to replace those prescriptions. I just have to take the time out from doggie herbal attention for more investigation. I have a doggie with low blood sugar and am working with herbs for her right now. (If only I could get them down her easier!)

I've worked in a hospital cancer unit ... getting a behind the scene look at cancer doctors. I've had cancer. My mother had cancer. My Dad had cancer. Other family members have died of cancer. (Even my dogs had cancer)

It's a damn big business and nothing more. It's too lucrative to cure it...and that's the truth folks whether you can handle it or not.

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Kay Anonymous

Rick is right...in his "just talkin' here" post.... from the first word thru the last. Absolutely "spot-on"!

FWIW thought I'd stick in a few good quotes from some old presidents:

Theodore Roosevelt - (1901-1909) -
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

James Madison - (1809-1817) -
"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted."

Benjamin Harrison - (1889-1893) - "We Americans have no commission from God to police the world."

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DC Anonymous

I think we're seeing confusion between research and medical practice. The second needs to get taken up with the insurers.

As for the first, I feel sorry for anyone so old and jaded that they couldn't imagine that there's anyone left in the world out to improve humanity instead of just trying to cook the bottom line.

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Kay Anonymous

I think you are confusing old and jaded with older and perhaps wiser. And you are either jumping to conclusions or being sarcastic... you haven't the faintest idea WHAT I can imagine... Just because you can't see behind the curtain, doesn't mean that OZ is great and powerful.

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xdavidwattsx Anonymous

I think there are a lot of broad brushes being painted in this thread that now seemingly has nothing to do with the topic.

Well done.

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DC Anonymous

I was confused. I shouldn't use old and jaded. Paranoid and condescending would probably be more fitting.

Medium.

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Robert Kelly Verified

DC - i think there are plenty of people out there out to improve humanity. I just don't think any of them are in a position of power. And that is sad really.

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Kay Anonymous

Robert Kelly,

Absolutely. And yes it is sad indeed. I don't know how folks can sleep in this country with so many alarms going off....

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Jason Rice Verified

Hey! War chat mongers.... Can I get at least one of you to opine this direction?

Of War: A Public Collage

The whole reason I posted this thing to Peg was you get your attentions and get some of my favorite writers to freakin' contribute!! (And, yes, it IS "all about me")

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Scott Doyle Verified

I sleep through my alarm almost daily, Kay.

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Rick Yost Verified

DC- Again, I'm not trying to belittle in any way serious research done to cure disease.
I'm sure you've known many true-blue doctors and researchers that wake up every morning eager to do good. Just understand that there are a great many of us out here who've had different experiences.

Yes, as you so eloquently suggested... I am OLD, probably JADED, no doubt PARANOID, and at times can sound rather CONDESCENDING as now when I say to you with all due respect, someday you may really understand what each of these terms mean.

And might I add that if you think that your precious, fresh-faced, young and upwardly mobile generation is either the first out to improve humanity, OR not out to cook the bottom line, you're grossly misinformed.

Shhhhhh! Don't wake up Doyle. He, like so many Americans, is still in the throes of the American dream.

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DC Anonymous

I'm sure you've had many experiences positive and negative. However, it's a real insult both to the investigators and to the patients to throw in cancer research with the war on terror, especially without bothering to check a single fact on the matter.

I'd add that just like saying it louder doesn't make it right, we're seeing evidence that older doesn't necessarily make one wiser either.

Ring the bell. There's probably not much more to be said on this one.

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Rick Yost Verified

xdavidx- Sorry if I tend to stray from topic. I know that must be irritating since there's obviously so much yet to be said about this thread topic.

Real conversations usually work that way.
You start talking on one thing, and gravitate to another. It's natural.

It is a shame though that once a serious topic does emerge from some of these threads, (not saying that the original topics aren't serious) that opinion, points-of-view, experiences and knowledge can't be shared in an attempt for us all to understand.

Isn't it funny how (especially us guys) will start making wise-cracks to avoid subjects that are either too heavy, or we're just not familiar with- making us nervous. Yes, I too have jumped into the comical fray before. It's fun, but sometimes a serious discussion would be positive.

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xdavidwattsx Anonymous

Broad brushes, insinuations and overgeneralizations everywhere!

Snooze.

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Rick Yost Verified

My apologies to DC, and all who had to suffer through my post where I YELLED. I'm sorry, I don't even think of this silliness about capitalization denoting volume. Nor do I use acronyms like b/c, imo, or anything like that. I learned to read and write when I was a child and see no reason to stop doing so now simply because it is trendy.

DC- I'm very sorry that I've upset you so. That is never my intention. However, if you have the super-human insight to know whether I have looked into the facts, you're more special than your posts express.

Finally, (because I don't want to tackle a young person's sensibilities head-on and hurt feelings) I will just end by saying that the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on cancer, and the war in Iraq, in one way or another, are all funded by the same entity- the U.S. Government.

Peace

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Jason Rice Verified

Yet, when somebody asks, nay, begs for your opinion....::sniffle:: That's ok. ::sigh:: I understand ::sob::

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Scott Miller Verified

What? It's over?

Damn. It was just getting good.

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Jason Rice Verified

Yep. And all I can say is thank God there was not a waybackmachine.org when I was twenty-something. I can deny anything from then! ;o)

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Kay Anonymous

Since it's "over" here's one last, but not least, comment:

dc While I can believe you are pathetically and unnecessarily rude, I don't believe you can be so naive. The fact that you refuse to even look behind the curtain when it has been pulled aside is viewed as denial of reality. (Perhaps your fantasy bubble of the great OZ would burst?) Simply by extension, you've made your entire credibility suspect by stultiloquy.

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Kay Anonymous

Rick Yost,

Sometimes yelling IS the only way to get someone's attention, not they didn't hear the first time around. However, not every capitalization indicates YELLING to everyone, m-a-n-y times it is simply for emphasis since HTML is not recognized in these posts. No need to apologize IMO for emphasis.

Your messages are "spot-on" all across the board. I admire your ability to communicate with the selective-deaf.

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Kay Anonymous

Scott Doyle,

"I sleep through my alarm almost daily, Kay."

A house-cat is a very good alarm since they expect their breakfast early every day...

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DC Anonymous

Knumbers, it's not rude to describe your posts in this thread as paranoid and condescending. It's accurate.

Rick's hubris simply knows no boundaries and so there's no point in going on with this. Both of you can are qualified to run for the coveted 'last word' awards on this one.

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Kay Anonymous

You said to Rick: "It's really rude to paint the war in Iraq with the same brush as medical research, especially considering the disparity in funding between defense and the National Institutes of Health."

Then you said to me: "it's not rude to describe your posts in this thread as paranoid and condescending. It's accurate."

According to your rationalization, ONLY YOU can refer to others as rude because it's accurate?

Rick's statements were/are ACCURATE. You called him rude.

Calling YOU rude is overwhelmingly MOST ACCURATE.

Apparently you also hold a double standard for your actions and others'.

Perhaps the afflictions of selective-deafness and selective-blindness are one dis-ease.

If I was looking for a "last word" to you, it would have to be:

FOLDEROL, dc, FOLDEROL!

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Clay213 Anonymous

KAy: Your comments are off topic, paranoid, and annoying.

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Mike Orren Staff

Folks, I don't know what's being achieved on this thread beyond hurt feelings, and the tenuous thread to the original story left us long ago.

Why don't we leave this one alone for a bit?

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Jason Rice Verified

I like ice cream. I think we should talk about ice cream.

Hey, I could threaten to make bad puns again. That seemed to clear the room last time.

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