Dallas homeowner must clean up SWAT team mess

jtmbls, says:

Cristobal - Sweet name! I should have been way more inventive when I named my child.

12ozfred, says:

Just be careful with pronunciation games...some may say "CRYSTAL-BALL"

jtmbls, says:

Ok - I am so white - How else would you pronounce it?

jtmbls, says:

So if the SWAT team had sent in skunks instead, insurance would take care of everything. Interesting.

12ozfred, says:

Crrris-toe-bahl! Notice I tried to spell out the rolling R...lol

bobdon000, says:

The homeowner should've withheld search consent until SWAT signed a waiver accepting all damage responsibility.

(disclaimer: I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice).

jtmbls, says:

12ozfred - For some reason all I can hear in my head when I read that is the Count from Seasame Street. : \

bobdon - I don't think even Doyle's duck would confuse you with an attorney.

Clay213, says:

Couldn't they make a strong case that this violates the 5th amendment?

Kay, says:

Rawlins,

You may find this of interest:

http://fpffressminds.blogspot.com/200...

Kay, says:

Scott Doyle,

Realizing that I have grandchildren your age, please accept this in the spirit of the accolades in which it is meant.

Not so, you are qualified for a lot. IMO you are up at the top of that demographic pack.

jtmbls, says:

Yeah Doyle...and your duck is sexy!

jtmbls, says:

I'm still too young to officially be a cougar, if that’s what you’re asking.

jtmbls, says:

Hey that was your post that came from!

Kay, says:

:) Scott Doyle,

Not exactly tech-savy, but perhaps I'm learning as I'm goin'...My Dad was online everyday well into his mid-90s...

Kay, says:

Apparently I still need new keyboard batteries... :::make a list:::check it twice, and leave the list at home::: :::Repeat on next week's shopping trip::: ...

mackie, says:

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Cristobal.Ja... Maybe the suspect, Cristobal Jaimes, should be paying for the damage because if it weren't for him, the SWAT team wouldn't have been at his house. I don't think taxpayers should have to pay for this. And if the family was so cooperative with the SWAT team, why was there a five hour standoff?

Clay213, says:

mackie: The operative word in your post is 'suspect.'

jtmbls, says:

mackie - Brilliant assessment! I might actually have to start adding you people to my favorites list.

Clay – Seriously, they don’t call out SWAT just on a hunch. If it were just some person of interest, or a “light” suspect, they would issue the warrant…send the Marshals out to poke around a bit. Perform a much less dramatic search. If SWAT is involved you can pretty much guarantee they’re after a big boy for very good reasons.

jtmbls, says:

Speaking of favorites...What are you doing up at this hour young 'un? Careful - G-Ma might be watching!

jtmbls, says:

Yeah, I had to squeeze in an early (in the week) happy hour after work since I am out of town starting Thurs.

I should call it a day but I have half a Miller Chill left...And multitasking between yahoo, myspace and peg...who needs sleep?

Except the SWAT team obviously... (relevance)

Clay213, says:

Whether it was SWAT or Barney Fife doesn't make a difference.

And regardless of his guilt or innocence, this basically gives the police free reign to destroy people's property with no compensation-- seems to be a violation of the 5th amendment to me.

jtmbls, says:

Ha! I didn't realize it was an acronym. I just took it literally. What does it stand for?

That’s alright Jeremy. Most people tend to disagree with my stance on law enforcement. I am willing to accept that civility goes out the window when dealing with a certain element of our society, and I am most grateful to those willing to deal with it. It is unfortunate however when innocent people get caught in the fray.

jtmbls, says:

Thank you Alex!

twisteddog, says:

Seems more reasonable to just hang around and wait for the guy to come out. Probably costs the same as a deploying a whole SWAT unit and its associated teargas consumption. Also leaves fewer holes in the wall.

twisteddog, says:

You can't stay in there forever, Lancelot.

jtmbls, says:

I’m thinking if I were facing the needle or life in prison, I could get pretty comfy in the attic or the basement for a good long while. Especially if moms would bring me some Burger King every now and again.

twisteddog, says:

Yeh, but what's time compared to destroying somebody's house?

Nobody gets to go to BK during a siege, Gwenevere. Not even for chicken fries.

twisteddog, says:

Storming a house only increases the likelihood that you'd get shot in the head. Besides, the majority of murderers are caught without destroying anything, which is most likely how this one will be caught.

Concerns and procedures are under review: http://tiny.cc/1ig59

jtmbls, says:

Right, what is time after all, they only have how many other murderers to catch? And let's just hope they get to them all before they get to your family or mine.

jtmbls, says:

Drug war - Biggest waste of time and resources.

jtmbls, says:

Honestly, I am a huge proponent of holding parents legally and fiscally responsible for what their children do. I truly believe it would solve so many problems very quickly.

I think they're making great strides with cancer treatment. Not that we're winning - Yet. And I know I am sticking my neck out there with this one but…just off the top of my head I can think of three positive things that have come from the war in Iraq. Saddam, Uday and Qusay Hussein all very, very dead. Cold comfort perhaps and at what cost remains to be seen but, positive none the less.

jtmbls, says:

True but quality of life is very important also and just based on my very limited information on this subject, it seems that remission rates are increasing? Again, not a subject I am well versed on.

War is a horrific thing, no question about it. And that truly was just off the top of my head as I am currently lacking the time and energy to form any sort of cohesive argument. I would love to discuss another time though. Rain check?

Kay, says:

Once again, I totally agree with Rick Yost!

IMO There is no "positive result" because there is no such intent for the "war" on anything listed...but there sure is b-i-g money in some elite's war-pocket.

We are NOT the world police ...at least not yet. Besides, "Bad Guys" labels come and go...on the same guys - depending on political usefulness. Do we know who's dead and who's alive? Don't we just know what we are told? We are told whatever is helpful to the administration's agenda.

Speaking of dead-guys. Anyone think that old OBL will be found and killed for GWB's next (final hurrah?) "mission accomplished" ? - no matter that OBL has already been dead for several YEARS now...maybe he'll be "found" and "killed" and in heavy make up we will get a glimpse of the body on TV before it is off limits. Isn't that the usual procedure? Will his "finding" somehow be THE final-straw-reason for war in Iran? Syria? Just askin'....

I agree with Yost's entire post BTW, including his view on parental responsibility of adult children.

Clay213, says:

Did someone say World Police??

DC, says:

Off the original post, but the whole cancer research comment is pretty offensive.

For every person who's been successfully treated for childhood acute lymphoblastic anemia, Hodgkin's lymphoma, or testicular cancer there's a team of researchers who got them there. Sure, there's a long way to go, but it's not like it's been futile.

It's really rude to paint the war in Iraq with the same brush as medical research, especially considering the disparity in funding between defense and the National Institutes of Health.

Kay, says:

You hit the nail square on the head Rick!

Medical Patient = Income (period)

I'm mad/livid about the same "appointment for Rx" if I'm not sick/hurt! I keep putting them off and I'm considering trying something herbal to replace those prescriptions. I just have to take the time out from doggie herbal attention for more investigation. I have a doggie with low blood sugar and am working with herbs for her right now. (If only I could get them down her easier!)

I've worked in a hospital cancer unit ... getting a behind the scene look at cancer doctors. I've had cancer. My mother had cancer. My Dad had cancer. Other family members have died of cancer. (Even my dogs had cancer)

It's a damn big business and nothing more. It's too lucrative to cure it...and that's the truth folks whether you can handle it or not.

Kay, says:

Rick is right...in his "just talkin' here" post.... from the first word thru the last. Absolutely "spot-on"!

FWIW thought I'd stick in a few good quotes from some old presidents:

Theodore Roosevelt - (1901-1909) -
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

James Madison - (1809-1817) -
"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted."

Benjamin Harrison - (1889-1893) - "We Americans have no commission from God to police the world."

DC, says:

I think we're seeing confusion between research and medical practice. The second needs to get taken up with the insurers.

As for the first, I feel sorry for anyone so old and jaded that they couldn't imagine that there's anyone left in the world out to improve humanity instead of just trying to cook the bottom line.

Kay, says:

I think you are confusing old and jaded with older and perhaps wiser. And you are either jumping to conclusions or being sarcastic... you haven't the faintest idea WHAT I can imagine... Just because you can't see behind the curtain, doesn't mean that OZ is great and powerful.

xdavidwattsx, says:

I think there are a lot of broad brushes being painted in this thread that now seemingly has nothing to do with the topic.

Well done.

DC, says:

I was confused. I shouldn't use old and jaded. Paranoid and condescending would probably be more fitting.

Medium.

Kay, says:

Robert Kelly,

Absolutely. And yes it is sad indeed. I don't know how folks can sleep in this country with so many alarms going off....

DC, says:

I'm sure you've had many experiences positive and negative. However, it's a real insult both to the investigators and to the patients to throw in cancer research with the war on terror, especially without bothering to check a single fact on the matter.

I'd add that just like saying it louder doesn't make it right, we're seeing evidence that older doesn't necessarily make one wiser either.

Ring the bell. There's probably not much more to be said on this one.

xdavidwattsx, says:

Broad brushes, insinuations and overgeneralizations everywhere!

Snooze.

Kay, says:

Since it's "over" here's one last, but not least, comment:

dc While I can believe you are pathetically and unnecessarily rude, I don't believe you can be so naive. The fact that you refuse to even look behind the curtain when it has been pulled aside is viewed as denial of reality. (Perhaps your fantasy bubble of the great OZ would burst?) Simply by extension, you've made your entire credibility suspect by stultiloquy.

Kay, says:

Rick Yost,

Sometimes yelling IS the only way to get someone's attention, not they didn't hear the first time around. However, not every capitalization indicates YELLING to everyone, m-a-n-y times it is simply for emphasis since HTML is not recognized in these posts. No need to apologize IMO for emphasis.

Your messages are "spot-on" all across the board. I admire your ability to communicate with the selective-deaf.

Kay, says:

Scott Doyle,

"I sleep through my alarm almost daily, Kay."

A house-cat is a very good alarm since they expect their breakfast early every day...

DC, says:

Knumbers, it's not rude to describe your posts in this thread as paranoid and condescending. It's accurate.

Rick's hubris simply knows no boundaries and so there's no point in going on with this. Both of you can are qualified to run for the coveted 'last word' awards on this one.

Kay, says:

You said to Rick: "It's really rude to paint the war in Iraq with the same brush as medical research, especially considering the disparity in funding between defense and the National Institutes of Health."

Then you said to me: "it's not rude to describe your posts in this thread as paranoid and condescending. It's accurate."

According to your rationalization, ONLY YOU can refer to others as rude because it's accurate?

Rick's statements were/are ACCURATE. You called him rude.

Calling YOU rude is overwhelmingly MOST ACCURATE.

Apparently you also hold a double standard for your actions and others'.

Perhaps the afflictions of selective-deafness and selective-blindness are one dis-ease.

If I was looking for a "last word" to you, it would have to be:

FOLDEROL, dc, FOLDEROL!

Clay213, says:

KAy: Your comments are off topic, paranoid, and annoying.