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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 , Updated

Fort Worth looks to its past as it considers modern streetcars

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Public Meeting: Streetcars

When: Monday, Nov. 17, 2008, 6:30 p.m.
Where: Rose Marine Theater, 1440 North Main Street, Fort Worth
Cost: Free
Age limit: All ages
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For more than 50 years, a streetcar system moved Fort Worth residents from their growing neighborhoods to the city’s bustling downtown.

By 1940, the city’s first public mass transit system was abandoned when the city limits began to expand and residents chose to favor the automobile. And now, time are changing again.

With gas prices peaking at more than $3.50 a gallon and more residents choosing to live, work and play in the Central City, streetcar transportation could see a rebirth.

In July, the City Council appointed a Modern Streetcar Study Committee to determine if streetcars should be a part of the city’s landscape once again. As part of their work, the 18-member committee was charged with:

  • reviewing Fort Worth’s previous streetcar studies
  • researching light rail and streetcar systems in other cities
  • conducting a preliminary assessment of costs, benefits and possible funding sources
  • making a recommendation to City Council on whether or not streetcars should be pursued and if so, the route for a starter corridor

A modern streetcar system would serve only the Central City — areas within Loop 820 — just like it did in its heyday during the 1920s and ‘30s when there were nearly two dozen streetcar lines that served areas such as Arlington Heights, Fairmount, Riverside, Rosen Heights and Poly. Back then, the streetcars were popular because people lived close to where they worked. Now, with Central City density increasing daily, frequent road congestion and high gas prices, residents took the opportunity through the Let’s Talk Fort Worth vision-planning initiative to ask for more user-friendly public transportation. Organizers reported that it was one of the most popular suggestions.

Because streetcar networks are intended for quick-stop, short-haul distances, city planners say that any proposed modern streetcar system would have to work in conjunction with the Fort Worth Transportation Authority (The T) bus service and regional commuter rail. By design, streetcars use an overhead electric power source and can travel on either a dedicated right of way or share street lanes with automobiles. Stations typically are spaced two to four blocks apart, unlike light rail or regional rail, where they are generally farther apart.

Fort Worth first began to consider a modern streetcar system nearly a decade ago. A transit alternative analysis was conducted by the city and The T, which recommended such an intra-city system in 2002. The city and The T applied for federal funds to pay for it, but the project was withdrawn because Fort Worth’s population density and potential ridership wasn’t high enough to be competitive nationally. Instead, the city decided to support regional commuter rail efforts, which led to The T’s Southwest to Northeast Corridor project.

Although the modern streetcar plans were shelved at the time, the idea was not forgotten. In January the Fort Worth Central City Redevelopment Committee published a report that rekindled the effort. And, the city’s proposed Mobility and Air Quality Plan calls for an intracity rapid transit element. Further bolstering interest, the Greater Fort Worth Real Estate Council decided it wanted to focus attention on a streetcar system as well.

As part of its work, the study committee traveled to Portland, Seattle and Tacoma to see how modern streetcar systems recently implemented there improved mobility, spurred economic growth, promoted pedestrian friendly neighborhoods and created a more sustainable community.

Source: The City of Fort Worth



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Clay213, says:

Street cars are terrible. Awful awful awful things. Especially for cyclists.

Why street cars and not trackless trolleys? They accomplish the same thing for less money and have none of the drawbacks of street cars.

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Chris Kidd, says:

Streetcars are great for a city the size of ft. worth, They'll work as the major city districts are already well interconnected via streets that run along the old streetcar lines.

Clay, ive been on the portland streetcar system and seen alot of people bringing on their bikes and segways, plus most if not all modern streetcar systems are cleaner running than trackless trolly (i.e. bus).

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Clay213, says:

'seen alot of people bringing on their bikes and segways,'

The problem is the tracks. And what they do when they interact with a bicycle wheel. It's bad.

'plus most if not all modern streetcar systems are cleaner running than trackless trolly (i.e. bus).'

Cleaner running?

They both run off a pantograph and electricity.

A trackless trolley and a streetcar are the same thing except one is shaped like a bus and doesn't have tracks. Less expensive, more maneuverable, more convenient and less dangerous for people not taking public transit.

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Pavel Lishin, says:

What happens when you hit a track? How is it different from hitting a crack in the pavement?

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Clay213, says:

A crack in the pavement?

The difference is the gaps in rails are the right size to pinch a bike wheel and send the rider to the pavement-- typically over the bars.

Happens all the time in Boston on the old E line. Happened to a friend of mine on McKinney here in Dallas.

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Pavel Lishin, says:

I guess I'd have to take a look next time I'm in Uptown, but my first instinct is that perhaps we should look where we're going.

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alexander troup, says:

They did that... thing over by the Big store some years ago, I recall in the late 1960s, kind of a Unarail or Monarail Over by the......cant think of the name, but Ft Worth is till car culture town, like Dallas it is spread out into too many areas that are bounded by freeways..back in the old days, it was Downtown city,That one could just travel around in by foot, or horse, yes they need future rail systems above ground...A.T... Cowtown Reporter.

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Clay213, says:

'Look where we are going' is a great idea! Maybe we should encourage other obstacles and dangers too!

If you don't know what you are talking about-- which you don't-- I suggest you either learn or keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

I understand that you are too much of a chickensh*t to ride a bike anywhere but on the sidewalk. I'm trying to do you a favor, because you would surely get eaten alive by trolley tracks if you ever had the balls to ride anywhere near them.

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ch0, says:

Haha, ball-less, uninformed, chickenst!

Come see Clay!

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momzilla, says:

Somehow the street cars and bicyclists seem to coexist in Germany. The cars run down the middle of the street in high traffic pedestrian areas, and you just have to pay attention to where you are going and give them right of way.

I'm excited about the potential of having a convenient street car system like we enjoyed in Germany.

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momzilla, says:

AT: Are you talking about the Leonards subway? Yeah, that went away a few years ago when Radio Shack decided to expand. Most of us were sad to see it go. Fun memories riding the little subway to Leonard's basement with my grandmother, then buying slushies and looking at the big tables of baby turtles that were always near the doorway.

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Pavel Lishin, says:

Thanks for the harsh response, Clay. I honestly wasn't trying to be a douche, but I guess this is what I get for trying to be reasonable.

And you've told me quite a few times that riding on the sidewalk is more dangerous than riding on the street, so how does that make me a chickenshot? (chickenshut? chickenshet? what?)

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momzilla, says:

I'd say "less likely to end up an organ donor" Pavel. But that has more to do with the lunatics in SUV's than anything else.

I've nearly hit bicyclists on more than one occasion, though. My husband and daughter both ride so I tend to be more aware of the bicyclists than most drivers. But I don't know why some of them think it's wise, for example, to pass cars on the right shoulder at intersections.

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Scott Doyle, says:

haha, man I love it when clay gets uppity.

Long-story short: they're not gonna give 2 chickensh*ts if a few peeps on bikes bite the pavement - watch what the hell you're doing and maybe your face won't get jacked.

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Chris Kidd, says:

Getting back to task on this, streetcar systems do work..I wish Dallas was this forward-thinking in putting in a more mixed transit plan with streetcars going from the surrounding neighborhoods to downtown proper. DARTRail can only do so much when it comes to hitting specific parts of town...

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Scott Doyle, says:

Methinks installing streetcars isn't exactly the simplest endeavor, considering all the construction in the middle of the street that would need to happen. Needs more village bicycles.

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jtmbls, says:

Bike lanes, bike lanes, bike lanes!

A good friend of mine was recently killed when he was hit by a car while he was cycling to work. A bike lane is not that complex and in cases like this, could have been the difference between life and death.

Then it's up to the driver to manage the tracks.

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Pavel Lishin, says:

It does seem like it would be easier to just put in "trackless trolleys", since that doesn't require tearing up the streets and putting in those tracks (that are apparently made by The Devil himself, or so I hear.)

Then again, old-school trolleys are totally retro and awesome.

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Clay213, says:

Trackless trolleys are totally retro too-- I'm sure Boston would give FW a deal on it's trolleys from the 70s.

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alexander troup, says:

Yes....Mom's,.. Leonard's Subway, sorry I have been slow on the get back, and saw today this Dart thing over by Harry Hines is going to become a freight delivery line/?then again to ride your bike was very popular in the 1900s in Ft Worth, which was a railroad town, airport city and a lot of moving around in a vibrant way this is the West....A.T,..Tourist.

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