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Monday, November 24, 2008
Martini Park at Shops at Legacy in Plano is closed down
Restaurant-bar had an aggressive door policy complete with muscled goons.
DALLAS — Martini Park, the restaurant-bar at the Shops at Legacy, is closed, as scooped by Nancy N. No one's answering the phone during business hours and an anonymous email confirmed that the place was shut down.
This seems rather surprising and abrupt since the place had holiday events on their schedule, and since they never seemed to lack for business, although it was mostly business of the drinky kind rather than the eating kind.
Another surprising thing about this is that other places opening in the Shops at Legacy are doing very well, such as RA Sushi and Gordon Biersch Brewery. Maybe the customers who previously went to Martini Park have moved on to those places instead?
Some people -- people who got rejected at the door -- might see this as karma, since they had a pretty aggressive and belittling door policy, with muscled goons who wouldn't let you in if you had on sneakers. Muscled goons who themselves occasionally wore sneakers. Now it's nice to see an establishment set a standard and strive for a classy atmosphere, but even if you were well-kempt in every other way, if you had on sneakers, you didn't get in. Bet they'd take customers with sneakers now.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
"Bet they'd take customers with sneakers now."
Obviously they'd rather close down than serve our kind there!
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Ashley Lyell, verified:
Aw one of my friends was a muscled goon there for awhile. I always enjoyed hearing the stories of the hissy fits drunk people threw when they didn't get in.
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Travis Bush, verified:
Yes..and look who's laughing now..funniest upscale humor ever..
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ch0, anonymous:
Define "sneakers"...
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Travis Bush, verified:
probably anything less than a DKNY deck shoe..
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Teresa Gubbins, staff:
the person i know who got rejected had on your typical New Balance workout type shoes. but is otherwise neat as a pin. whereas the person he was with, ahem, she had scraggly hair and not an upscale outfit at all - but no sneakers, so no problem getting in. i mean, i kinda get the no sneakers rule, cuz sneakers often do imply cheesy style or just no style at all. but it can also be a dumb rule
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James Scott, verified:
If anyplace doesn't let me in with my Converse, it's a place I don't want to be anyway.
I went there once after work, so I was probably well within their 'acceptable' attire, and I have to say it was rather underwhelming. Not that I would have traveled that far north regularly anyway, but oh well.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
tomorrow night is "sneaker night" at Pearl.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
Damn! Just when I sent mine off to get cleaned!
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Jason Rice, verified:
Pavel, you may still be able to. It requires only one unless Tracy had a typo.
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Scott Doyle, verified:
...although it was mostly business of the drinky kind rather than the eating kind.
Thought that's how many establishments make a ton of cash? Especially martini places?
Anyways, proud to say I've never been a customer of the Shops at Legacy. Absolutely can't stand mixed used developments of its kind, tbh. Maybe if they had useful stuff in them rather than "trendy" BS...
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Travis Bush, verified:
"Pavel, you may still be able to. It requires only one unless Tracy had a typo."
I bet it doesn't matter where one has it hidden, which should make Doyle and Lishin quite pleased.
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
I really liked Martini Park and I am gonna miss the place. I live in Frisco and there is NO WHERE to go in Frisco and this place was close, had dancing and bands was lots of fun. If you didn't get in you were probably wearing something nasty so it's your own fault. I am gonna miss the place!!! And the bartenders made excellent drinks!!
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jenglund, anonymous:
Well thats what happens when a bar losses their liquor license..... any how $7 dollar beers for that price i best have some dancing girls and leave covered in glitter from a champaigne room... but yes they are closed due to loss of liquor license... no they could just give away their stock of liquor for free rather than charge to repay for the high cover price!!!
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Jason Rice, verified:
::Maybe if they had useful stuff in them rather than "trendy" BS...
ScoDO, your dream of an "Urban Village" anchored around a GameStop, New Fine Arts Video and Red Bull Factory Outlet are no closer to realization with this demise. You're just too far ahead of your time.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
No typo, only one sneaker required. you don't have to be wearing it.
Note that Tuesday is also 'bailout beer' night at Pearl - $2 domestics and $1 pearl cans. So what happens if you bring a sneaker?
1) we'll let you in !
2) you get bailout beer !! (unless the sneaker smells bad and in that case you just get regular happy hour prices, but only if it's during happy hour)
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tx_dem41, anonymous:
"unless the sneaker smells bad "
Damn. :(
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commenter, anonymous:
Me and my sisters got into a dance off with some guy there one time...just for fun, everyone was in a circle..laughing at us, having a great time. They kicked us out and said we were making a scene. I guess we were supposed to just sit quietly with our 'make shift' bottle service. Good riddance!
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tx_dem41, anonymous:
"They kicked us out and said we were making a scene."
I thought the only purpose of such places was the "scene".
"Good riddance!"
Disregarding the loss of jobs for a moment (which is easier said than done), I agree.
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Scott Doyle, verified:
$2 domestics, eh - I presume all night? Who's playing tonight, Tracy? Has Rick been attacked by clippers in his sleep, thus rocking the <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008/nov/11/dallas-smoking-ban-decision-delayed-until-december/#c39174">salt-n-pepper hawk</a>?
If I recall correctly, Shiner's considered domestic rather than premium (strictly price-wise)? Confirm/deny? Blue Moon, maybe?!
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Teresa Gubbins, staff:
another emailer shares this juicy dish: that Martini Park closed due to troubles with their liquor license (as hinted by jenglund, <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008/nov/24/martini-park-shops-legacy-plano-closed-down/#c40028">above</a>). They were supposed to sell a specific percentage of food-versus-alcohol but the food never took off. They even resorted to giving the food away, but their percentage of beverage sales was still too high for the TABC.
this would explain why they closed despite the impression of prosperity they gave
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John McClelland, verified:
Can't say I ever went to Martini Park. Mainly because I like wearing sneakers. And I am not standing in line for a martini. It wasn't Studio 54 and they didn't have any rampant sex in the rafters. So it's not worth it.
Cru Wine Bar was my choice after going to the Angelika.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
yes it's all night, and yes shiner is domestic as is blue moon. XM Radio all night tonight, yost and the sofakings resume their wednesdays next week, every wednesday in december. we need a good 'promotional' idea that requires the hawk. like - if we sell 1000 domestic longnecks on a tuesday, rick will do the hawk for us. :-)
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tx_dem41, anonymous:
@TG: This would seem to be a situation that isn't that extraordinary. Does the TABC allow a modification of the license? I assume the license costs more when it is for a higher percentage of liquor sales?
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Teresa Gubbins, staff:
tracy yost, i cannot contribute to the longneck sales tonight but i am absolutely willing to assist ScoDo and/or Pavel in any future consumption challenge if the end result is rick yost in a mohawk
yay for the sofakings return, see you next wednesday
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Scott Doyle, verified:
tx_dem41, simply b/c it isn't extraordinary doesn't mean the TABC will loosen up on their regs. Surely they have a notification/warning system in place that gives you x-amount of time to get your respective food/booze sales ratio where it should be.
From what I recall when I was in food service, TABC absolutely does not mess around. They work with you best they can but their deadlines are truly deadlines.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
tx_dem41 - not that simple, it has to do with being in collin county, I believe they do not allow "freestanding bars" - i.e., all establishments have a food sales requirement.
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Collin Gouldin, verified:
"I live in Frisco and there is NO WHERE to go in Frisco
You don't get out much do you? ... there ARE other place to go in frisco...
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
To clarify... do the 1000 beers actually have to be drunk? Because I think we might be able to pull together and raise $2000 for this.
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Where is there to go in Frisco? The Outback pub? Yeah, that is great for dancing...NOT! Oh! I know, let's go to Dickey's in Frisco for some drinks and dancing...great times!
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Tracy Yost, verified:
Well if they are sold, they cannot be removed from the premises un-drunk :-) that said, a "Hawk Fundraiser" kind of event, where "donations" are involved, is not completely out of the question :-)
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Oh excuse me...I know...places to go in Frisco. The down under pub (no dancing and it sucks) The Irish Rover (sucks)oh wait! I know! Applebee's! They have such a great nightlife atmosphere in Frisco. I am so mistaken!
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tx_dem41, anonymous:
@Doyle - I have no doubt that TABC is difficult to work with.
@Tracy - I knew there was another reason why I don't live in Collin County. I'll add "No Freestanding Bars" to the list!
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Scott Doyle, verified:
How about you move instead of bitch about it?
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Scott Doyle, verified:
Obv directed at JJLSIM.
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Don't even say Chaucer's in Frisco is cool either. It sucks bad! I have been there too many times to know how bad it SUCKS! But their sushi is ok, nightlife-not so much!
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
I wanna move except if you haven't noticed, the economy kinda SUCKS right now. Wanna buy my house?
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tx_dem41, anonymous:
@JJLSIM - To better determine your tastes, what places don't "suck"?
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Scott Doyle, verified:
What in the world gives you the impression I would want to live in Frisco? I know better, sir/madam, than to move somewhere void of a nightlife.
While you're crying in your restaurant beers, might as well test out the PegNews <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/drinkspecials/map/">drink specials map</a> to save some coin. There's even a drop-down listing solely for Frisco.
<small>(Miko, make the check out to Scott Doyle rather than ScoDo, pls)</small>
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minplano, anonymous:
I read where someone mentioned food sales at Martini Park. Wow, didn't even know they had food at that place. I checked their website, they did actually have a food menu. Any who, wouldn't have gone there for the food anyway. Oh, can someone enlighten me now on where all the "Cougars" are going to hang out now?
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kaspurr, anonymous:
Wow Scott Doyle. I can really go dancing with all the 12 year old children at Chilis and Dave & Busters....
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Scott Doyle, verified:
Depends on your definition of "cougar", my friend. If your age ceiling is reasonably high I suggest <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/blogs/pegasusnewsblog/2008/apr/11/singlegourmettre/">Single Gourmet</a>. =p
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Scott Doyle, verified:
And kaspurr, I refer you to I know better, sir/madam, than to move somewhere void of a nightlife. Don't blame me for your poor judgment in location.
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kaspurr, anonymous:
Oh wow, you are so cool Scott Doyle, can I be just like you!!!???
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Scott Doyle, verified:
I'd rather you not.
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Jason Rice, verified:
kaspurr -- I understand there's a move afoot to franchise ScoDo. Stay tuned.
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Collin Gouldin, verified:
both kaspurr and JJLSIM are new to the site today, only commented on this story, and are both rude ... same person? ...
@ (who ever you are) <img src="http://lanceolson.com/lol/borat_not.jpg">
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Jason Rice, verified:
But the franchise opportunities are REAL
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
I am new to this site because I was rather upset about the closing of Martini Park and all the poor people who lost their jobs. It is rather sad that you are on here so often you noticed I was a new person. Sad for you....and no, I don't know kkaspurr
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Collin Gouldin, verified:
i noticed you were new to the site cause your <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/users/JJLSIM/"> user profile</a> said so ... quit being a jerk.
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Jason Rice, sorry I am sort of new to this, but what franchise opportunity and what is going on? I am confused...new to this....
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Collin Gouldin, please help me figure out why I am rude, cause I disagree with your comments? Please help me figure out why I am rude, cause I wanted Martini Park to not close and keep people employeed? Is that being rude?
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
"Oh, can someone enlighten me now on where all the "Cougars" are going to hang out now? "
I used to see 'em at Lee Harvey's pretty frequently. If only I weren't a designated driver that night so I could drink until it became socially acceptable...
Speaking of heavy drinking, you can dance anywhere when you're drunk enough. Except Chuck-E-Cheese. Apparently it's only okay for children to have fun there.
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minplano, anonymous:
I am confused. I am new to this as well, but I thought this was to post a comment about a topic "Martini Park at Shops at Legacy in Plano is closed down" but it seems it is more about who can you talk about.
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kaspurr, anonymous:
Collin Gouldin, your private investigator skills could be used....
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kaspurr, anonymous:
I thought Martini Park was a good place to go and used to go eat at RA and then go dancing there. I think it is really sad. Poor employees too that are out of work in this crappy economy before Christmas...
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Collin Gouldin, verified:
pavel, have you ever been to the glass cactus? there's TONs of them there... although its basically $20 just to get in ..
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Jason Rice, verified:
JJLSIM - the Scott Doyle Franchises.
We project installing at least one Scott Doyle across the street from each Starbucks.
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Travis Bush, verified:
Has someone informed the Sierra Club about the loss of said cougar habitat?
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alexander troup, verified:
Plano Texas, and it was once plain and ole, has come along way , being an old Cotton Town Roadroad stop, then Super Burb in the 70's to the 90's, while anything that is new out there,that come's down when they spent so much money to open such up...that is a good indicator of where is Plano going today.....Maybe... I Know Plano...Could be a new term... A/T..Car Culture of Plano Texas.
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Scott Doyle, verified:
<i>We project installing at least one Scott Doyle across the street from each <s>Star</s>Fourbucks.</i>
Fixed. J-Rice, <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/users/scott_doyle/contact/">get in touch </a> when you free up some financing (could be early 2010).
And I tried staying topical with the drink specials map (hoping you'd find a new venue to drown your sorrows in), then a suggestion on where to fulfill your cougar fantasies now. Sheesh, n00bs sure are pushy.
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Sander Wolf, verified:
I was wondering how they were able to stay open! The law in Plano is very clear about selling alcohol. The liquor sales need to be less than 50% of their revenue. I'm really pissed off because I thought about opening a bar in Plano but ultimately couldn't figure out a way to do it legally. Then Martini Park opens up OBVIOUSLY breaking the law. It's shameful that Plano and the TABC let it stay open for so long.
I think part of why it was open for so long is that the jurisdiction for enforcement of the laws is murky. The TABC and the Comptroller and the City of Plano all think someone other than them is responsible for enforcing the 50% law.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm all for having liquor sales in Plano. The laws should be changed, but you've got to play fairly until they do.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
Sander Wolf: How does EndZone do it? It's always packed full of people whenever I for some reason find myself there, but I don't remember ever seeing a whole lot of food.
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Travis Bush, verified:
Pavel, get down on the floor and look around next time.
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commenter, anonymous:
YES…its sad they’re out of work, YES Frisco peeps need somewhere to go and MP was good for that, YES the cougars need a place to pick up young bucks…so perhaps it will re-open for all of these reasons. BUT UNDER DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT THAT DOESN’T TREAT PEOPLE LIKE CRAP! So YES in this instance they deserved whatever they got.
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John McClelland, verified:
JJ, how about Rudy's BBQ? You could dance around the gas pumps.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
commenter: I'd wager that there are a lot of people, especially in Frisco, that specifically visit places that treat (other) people like crap to feel better about themselves. It's definitely a niche that needs to be filled, if only to keep those jerks the hell out of the bars I go to.
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
I think Plano and Frisco need to change some of their over-strict and over agressive laws concerning alcohol. Otherwise these places will turn into a ghost town. And commenter, what irritated you about the management at Martini Park? I am just curious what happened to you cause I never had anything but a good time at Martini Park?
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Pavel, I have a feeling no matter what bar you go to, people still treat you like crap....
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Ashley Lyell, verified:
Well really they usually just come up and want to touch his hair.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
Which is not how people generally treat crap at all.
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alexander troup, verified:
PLANO......BECAME...OLD..MODERN... TEXAS,..home of the Arrogant Zillionare,s who are so.... Hot, was it in 2003, while all of Dallas is so hot, or was,.. we forgot... when you have Neiman's on Main for Xmas and lot's of green, lovely arrogant peices of paper.... Money and... ME......PLAIN...O, Home of the I am bored and you better not..... be tired,.....2008,.... Comeupance time...A/T, Hour Glass for the Arrogant when it runs Out...
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
Ok I found a new place to check out 610 Loft....looks nice, maybe this isn't so bad after all! And I can avoid Dickey's as my last resort of a nightlife... :)
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alexander troup, verified:
Well good,....And Good luck on the Car Culture lifestyle... Plano was a big one for many years....
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
this is what I got from the TABC...
My name is Ronald Meissner. I am an internal affairs investigator with the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, stationed in Austin, Texas. We are in receipt of your e-mail concerning Martini Park in Plano, Texas. First, let me assure you that TABC laws and regulations are uniform statewide and are no stricter in Plano than other areas of the state, which have been voted "Dry" by its residents.
I reviewed the TABC records for Martini Park. Let me try to explain what appears to have happened. Sometime in the past, through a Local Option Election, Plano area was voted a "Dry" area, except for restaurants that also served food with alcohol. The Texas Comptrollers certify these restaurants with a "Food and Beverage Certificate," which means that a restaurant has to gross 51% of its sales from food. Apparently, the Texas Comptrollers did not certify Martini Park as a "restaurant" and thus did not did renew their "Food and Beverage Certificate." In order for Martini Park to lawfully sell alcohol in the Plano area they must have this certificate. When they could not obtain their food and beverage certificate, Martini Park was no longer eligible to sell alcohol in the Plano area and thus TABC could not renew its permit.
I hope this helped. I apologize for any inconvenience this my have caused you. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again in the future. Ronald S. Meissner, Investigator VI Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission
Office of Professional Responsibility / Internal Affairs
5806 Mesa Drive, Austin, Texas 78731
512-206-3405 - Fax 512-206-3207 - www.tabc.state.tx.us
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alexander troup, verified:
Well it looks legal,pass it around and see what else should come of this document...Thanks...JJ...And Ronald Meissner..A/T..Fed X Mailboy.
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Teresa Gubbins, staff:
nice work, JJLSIM!
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Mike Orren, verified:
Sorry but no copy paste of fulltext from other sites. You or anyone who isn't on an iPhone like me can synopsize and link the Frontburner post.
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Geoff Keah, verified:
pwned. :(
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Mike Orren, verified:
The Sidedish (sorry, Nancy) post in question:
http://sidedish.dmagazine.com/2008/11...
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JJLSIM, anonymous:
thanks for the sidedish story...love the info...
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Rick Yost, verified:
I've just noticed this thread, and already I'm confused. Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to go to Frisco, drink 1000 beers, and then get a haircut? What the hell's goin' on here?
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Rick Yost, verified:
...and I'm to do all this while wearing one sneaker? Sheeesh! I need a cocktail.
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Travis Bush, verified:
You have to use the other deck shoe to fend off the cougars..
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Jason Rice, verified:
<font size="1">Stolen (and mildly censored) from here</font>
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frankstongal, anonymous:
Mike, you are on notice. Gig 'em.
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ttechgal, anonymous:
Well I for one am happy that Martini Park shut down, its policies about sneakers and dress where ridiculous - and as far as Loft 610 - expect the same snotty nose attitude from them. They too have a ridiculous dress code, way over priced drinks and a lot of cougars. So, never fear my cougar lovin' friends - there is always another bar a block down where they come out to play. :)
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John McClelland, verified:
No, Rick, you have it all wrong. You go to Frisco. Preferably a Kroger. Find a cougar wearing stretchy sweat pants and a baseball cap. Preferably without child. You then go to the Shops at Legacy and cry outside Martini Park during a candle light vigil. Oh wait, bring the cougar with you. But make sure she changed clothes. Then you both protest the TABC, and are promptly arrested and deported to McKinney.
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Jason Rice, verified:
John, if we didn't know better (way way better) we'd think this was a habit of yours ;o)
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Scott Doyle, verified:
I'd just like to say it's an honor being a part of a thread that had 90 comments in response to a booze dispensing venue shutting down.
Also, shame on all of you for not joining us at Pearl last night. Rick's an awesome host!
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Billusa99, anonymous:
"Kroger" is the new "couger" terminology in Frisco/Plano.
You read it here first. (Props to JM.)
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Teresa Gubbins, staff:
doyle, need more details on last night. did you make a dent on the $2K mohawk downpayment?
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Scott Doyle, verified:
A very small one. To be perfectly honest I lined up a designated driver and the latter part of the evening is spotty at best.
Clearly, had a great time!
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lrbox, anonymous:
I'm so sad. Where am I going to get my coconut lime mojitos? There is no place else in Plano like Martini Park.
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brianck2, anonymous:
I'm the lead singer for a band that played at Martini Park since it opened. We were actually scheduled to perform there Friday night and I just heard it closed.
Plano lost a really good thing with Martini Park. It was, Hands Down, the coolest bar in Texas... a total upscale metro scene with lots of beautiful people. If you were offended at getting turned away at the door, then you probably shouldn't have been at the place anyway. To keep it's exclusivity, a club has to be somewhat selective. I recommend, to those of you that were bitter about their strict dress code, that you go hang out at Dukes Roadhouse, or Sherlocks.
Martini Park rocked!!!
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Russ Vandeveerdonk, verified:
Plano lost Martini Park, well Plano is still growing with all thier preppy attitudes and "Highland Park wanna-be" styles. The city is kinda lost right now, looking to find thier label of who they are and what they have become. It grew too fast and now it is in re-group mode now, just my opinion. Bars and clubs up there will come and go for a while yet!
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myopinion, anonymous:
I am sad, but relieved! Many of us had been there since the doors opened. Being on the inside as an employee, I have many reasons I was thankful it shut down. I don't have to watch one more person slip off their wedding ring to go to the hotel down the street with some random bar rat. I don't have to listen to someone get ticked off because they only had one drink and argue with me as they lean on the bar holding themselves up, forgetting about the mambo taxi's they had at dinner. I don't have to watch this showoff trying to impress his friends tip us $0 on a $100.00+ tab and then run off into the crowd. Believe it or not 1/3 of the tabs were like that. Money was great when we opened, but eventually we were begging each other for shifts and trying to wait it out hoping things would get better. All this negative was what we put up with daily, and your saying well you should've quit. I speak for everyone in there, we had the BEST staff, and most of us will remain friends. I don't know many places with that many employee's talk daily to help each other find jobs or relay over potential opportunities to each other. We all split the nights earnings and trusted each other to put money in the tip jar when a guest just wanted that one person to have it. It was worth all the make out sessions we were forced to watch, all the broke "rich" fakes, all the showoffs, all the grown adults who couldn't handle their liquor and yes, blame it on us, we forced you to drink it. Thank you Chris Barish, for letting me see what I DON'T want to be when I reach 35-65 years old (targeted market). But letting me meet some great people and paying down enough of my student loans to know I am ready to get into my career I went to school for. :)
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Lisa Lawrence Merritt, verified:
And you don't have to watch the owner of the Cowboys doing his thang either.
And now, back to Hotel ZaZa.
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luniz, anonymous:
I have to start getting out more.
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yeahitsthejugernautbitch, anonymous:
You're a presumptuous idiot. They closed because they defaulted their liquor licese, not because they couldn't afford to stay open due to some uprising/ boycot of the tennis shoe wearing class. I persoally worked there and can guarntee you that if any of our employees showed up wearing sneakers that we would have been sent home for the night if not fired on the spot as our manager, who had an unwavering "no tennis shoe" policy, was known to suspend people from work for not wearing belts, having underpolished shoes, and five o'clock shadows. Oh you tennis shoe sporters and your lofty ideas! Thanks for the laugh!
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