New winery opens in Deep Ellum district of Dallas

Rawlins Gilliland, says:

The people at SWIRLL at 1311 Main must be fascinated to learn that CALAIS at 3000 Commerce is "the first winery located in the area".

James Scott, says:

To be fair, I generally consider downtown to be a different "area" than Deep Ellum, even with their relatively close proximity.

Besides, it seems they are catering to different markets, given that Swirl has the whole "make your own" angle.

Either way - I wish them both the best of luck.

alexander troup, says:

Good luck on your vision, wine in the Elm area was never popular, while beer was and so this may be an intresting adventure and so Good luck to you.......Alex Troup, H.

alexander troup, says:

I will add one last bit of folk lore and not much else later on, Beer and wine have been a Dallas stapel since the 1850s while Moonshine, hard whiskey and other forms of very strong liquors have a presence of the old saloon days, while drinking was Dallas as it was in Ft Worth despite the bible belt, while wine is European more then Amercian..beer is german in the essence that in Texas these were the brewers who could do such and sell well, while Deep Elm was a beer saloon town..... it could become wine, while the image is and will remain, the heart and soul of the Pawnshop universe since 1887, until then Alexander Troup ,Historian.

Melynn Calais, says:

What is the boundary that distinguishes Deep Ellum from Downtown?

alexander troup, says:

Boundary, in 1880 it was Preston street, then in 1920 it was Pearl, while it is still old Central as it was in 1875, it is the same today.. where the railorad ran is where the freeway runs today, after you cross the freeway then you hit Preston..while.... Harwood could be the divide today....Oakland and or Malcom X is also a boundary line, just as the Sons of Herman is the end of the Elm stop before entering Fair Park , Alex Troup. H.2.O

alexander troup, says:

This is a very good question and I had the solution, but lost the right button, Again the Elm area and Victory Park area have bitten off more then they can chew with the Arts District as with Fair Park to maintain as a balanced city concession stand.Woodall Rodgers freeway is 5 kinds of boundaries, in 4 diffrent areas, while Central could become 2 or 3 again, I Like the Northwest Dallas boundary of Marsh and Midway, now that is a Love Feild divide..So What is Elm to become..HARWOOD, by the Majestic Theatre,....while one should consider Market street in the West End is one divide and what would the boundary be for the South Lamar area, all of this is comming out of a wine bar to open up in Deep Elm , well lets go down and have a drink and decide...Alex Troup, Sober City Planner/

alexander troup, says:

Gee, bill I think you need to get off of what ever it is you drink in the West End, and come over to the pride of Dallas, Deep Elm...A.T,H2O

James Scott, says:

When I lived in Deep Ellum, I always kind of felt like Good Latimer was the boundary towards the downtown side, even though there are a few outliers (Lizard Lounge, others?). Other than that, I don't know of an 'official' boundary.

AT - is there some sort of Oxford English dictionary we could buy to get a translation of some of your posts? I get the whole urban-poet-stream-of-consciousness thing, but sometimes it's just downright confusing.

Keep it up though, always entertaining.

Jason Rice, says:

bill, dang I'm glad I'm not the only one who chokes a laugh at the font choice for Swirl.

Man, I know what they were going for, but, dang! Bummer of an "r".

And yes, we need to get David to code up a bongo and sitar midi accompaniment for AT's posts.

Scott Doyle, says:

Underneath those "bridges" is also where you pre-emptively stab anybody within arm's reach under the impression they're doing same.

alexander troup, says:

The inner Hippie times, was suppost top be refined in Dallas when it hit in the 60s, while Deep Elm would of been a great place then not Lee Park ... while the old clubs on Mckinney ave, Ruabait and other places long gone, did have some great vibes, Even those places on Lemmon ave, back to the Elm, the vibes are gone.... all used up and ready for new vibes.. so this wine house with its message labels, could be a sweet thing, while I was in on the Elm because it was a place to dream about... the patina of Dallas in the 1900s to the 1950s, Lets open a bottle of wine to the life and death of the Elm..... Alex Troup, Historian on Organic hippie patina.