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Thursday, April 16, 2009 , Updated 10:56 a.m., April 16, 2009
UPDATED with video: Protesters rally at Denton “tea party” on tax day
Many held signs with messages such as "We can still secede" and "Obama nation is an abomination."
Andrew McLemore/NT Daily
Shouts of "enough is enough" reverberated across the Courthouse-on-the-Square on Wednesday as hundreds of people protested government spending, many holding signs with messages such as "We can still secede" and "Obama nation is an abomination."
Some demonstrators wore tea bags as necklaces or earrings, reflecting a national conservative movement to call for a modern revolt with a symbol of The Boston Tea Party, a key event during the American Revolution.
"I've never been political," said 44-year-old Molly Hyde, who describes herself as a stay-at-home mom. "I'm just passionate about it and I'm not going to give up easy."
Though she grew up liberal, Hyde said she voted for Sen. John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. She never participated in politics until she felt recent bailouts threatened the financial future of her three children.
"This is not about Republicans or Democrats," said Hyde, a resident of Shady Shores. "This is about spending money we don't have."
Organized by the Denton County Republican Party, the event featured several speakers who criticized the Obama administration while standing on the Courthouse steps.
Andrew McLemore/NT Daily
"We wanted to bring certain things to the attention of the public, so we had this tea party," said Avie Raburn, an organizer of the event and member of the Denton County Republican Party.
The group also set up booths to take signatures for a petition "opposing irresponsible government spending and bailouts." Several volunteers said the number of signatures had probably reached 1,000 by the end of the evening.
The size of the turnout forced volunteers to use spare paper for more signees after running out of the official petitions, which presented John Hancock as the first signature.
Rebecca Walton, a 47-year-old from Oak Point, said she signed the petition because she is "tired of the taxes and the people getting a free ride."
But not everyone at the courthouse on Wednesday agreed with the event's messages about the new administration.
Although he agreed that government spending is out of control, UNT sophomore Adam Martin said the demonstration was a rally for Christian fundamentalists and die-hard Republicans who would sacrifice their principles if the Republican Party were still in control.
"President Bush, Ronald Reagan and Jesus got the most cheers," said Martin, who is majoring in political science and history. "Just look at their legacies, they're closer to socialism than Obama is."
Andrew McLemore/NT Daily
As a self-described libertarian, Martin said he is against any stimulus bill on principle, but said that President Obama's economic policies are similar to those of President George W. Bush.
"This illusion that Bush had a stable economy for eight years is a total f---ing lie," Martin said.
The $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the economic stimulus bill, was signed into action by President Obama on Feb. 17 to spur an economic recovery and create jobs.
Lathan Watts, the final speaker for the protest and Lewisville City Councilman, said both parties were responsible for the economic downturn.
In his speech, Watts referred to President Obama as the "Pied Piper" of the White House and received loud applause for his summation of the event's significance:
"We're here to send an unmistakable message to our oppressors: Enough is enough!"
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Alex Bentley, staff:
"President Bush, Ronald Reagan and Jesus got the most cheers."
In that order?
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jtmbls, anonymous:
I love that people are doing this. It's about time the citizens take back control of their government.
Only one word of advice...A tea-bag necklace is never a good idea.
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John Turner-McClelland, verified:
Except that in Denton County, Republicans control every elected partisan office from Congress on down. I find it funny they are essentially protesting themselves.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
<img src="http://uploads.postfarm.net/public/postfarm/uploads-2.0/_/3446664194_7a516c1f4a.jpg">
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jtmbls, anonymous:
Well, since it was happening all across the country I didn’t perceive it as being overly partisan. I don’t consider the issues spawning the protests “ high taxes, congressional earmarks and government bailouts.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
as particularly Republican either.
Pavel, I can’t see what you posted but I accidentally hit "suggest removal" so I must hate it on some psychic level. Unless it’s pink.
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Jason Rice, verified:
It's brown.
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Travis Bush, verified:
LOL the same douches who have no problem spending billions every month in Iraq are complaining about actually spending some money here..laughable.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
likes what John said... and what Travis said...
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
lol, Denton. Who cares about Denton?
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alexander troup, verified:
I Found the Dallas Tea Party out of place, while it could of been a Lee Park deal with all of those sexy women, it was at City Hall, finally something is happening there instead of Dealy Plaza...yes stage an event at a place then you have an honest center for good intention's...wake up Dallas...use your rights as you breath pure air on Commerce street, Young and Akard...A/T, I am a tourist where is your City Hall..
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Jason Rice, verified:
It is weird to have such vocal protests "against the administration" -- what 3 months into it?
It's like screaming "fire" in a crowded room that watched you throw the Molotov.
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xdavidwattsx, anonymous:
"Well, since it was happening all across the country I didn’t perceive it as being overly partisan"
Seriously? The whole thing is a partisan joke.
Protesting taxes? First, patriots protested taxation without representation. Conservatives have representation. They voted..and lost.
Second, most of us pay less taxes now than we have in decades, especially the wealthy.
WTF!?
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jtmbls, anonymous:
I'm still not clear about what exactly the petition is petitioning for. "opposing irresponsible government spending and bailouts." is a little too vauge to put my signature on.
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Travis Bush, verified:
It was funny watching the news yesterday. The reporter was asking this guy why he was there.."I'm not happy with the way the country has been going for the past couple of months.." I nearly fell out of my chair laughing...
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alexander troup, verified:
I found out this Monkey Bean,,it was confussion and lot of folk's not saying what and some saying this and not doing that...so I had to leave...and realize...what is right and what is left...I am in the middle of the street....A/T, Times are tuff to decide...got a match bub...
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Jason Rice, verified:
::especially the wealthy.
Which is why they were out in droves at counter protests ....
oh, wait.... we'd need droves of wealthy for that... nevermind.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
Travis said heard - "I'm not happy with the way the country has been going for the past couple of months..."
based on what I saw on the news coverage, it seemed like a lot of white soccer moms and dads who just cannot accept that this country has elected an african american (who just so happens to be a democrat).
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Jason Rice, verified:
::white soccer moms
Oh, great. Here goes. Can I get my bashing in a "to go" bag, please?
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jtmbls, anonymous:
Define "Wealthy".
Second, most of us pay less taxes now than we have in decades, especially the wealthy.
Actually David, taxes have remained fairly stable between 17.2 and 19.7 percent since the 60’s. Your presidents (from both sides of the party line) have been lying to you. They raise and lower taxes, then they shuffle around the tax structure so it all comes out in the wash. I can see where you would be deceived though.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/06/us/...
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Travis Bush, verified:
Jason, Plano will not fit in one Happy Meal container..
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Tracy Yost, verified:
I'm not bashing, just reporting what I saw on the news, where those interviewed said stupid things like, "one nation under god, not obama" :-)
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jtmbls, anonymous:
Aha! So it's the freaking white soccer moms who are causing all the ruckus! I was wonder who to hold accountable here.
I thought this administration was supposed to bring people together. Or was all that talk of change just a bunch of b.s.?
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Tracy Yost, verified:
soccer moms and dads do not like change.
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
lol @ under god statement.
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate when Bush was President? :p
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alexander troup, verified:
Dammm you got a good kid... them folks I met yesterday were handling and petting their pet tomato plant's from the Farmers Market and telling me everthing, like Obamma shaving cream and underarm stuff....A/T, Sniff and scratch the details...
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jtmbls, anonymous:
They always give the biggest idiots airtime, don't they?
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Jason Rice, verified:
::"one nation under god, not obama"
yeah - seen that one elsewhere. Put the "uh" in dumb.
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alexander troup, verified:
This event was Nationwide...now Earth Day is next and then the Polar Ice Bug's comming soon to your local White House....A/T,... Mother's of poor Inventions..and disolved Intentions..
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jtmbls, anonymous:
Hoo haw! Just got the PN Soccer Update in my inbox. Timing...funny...I'm too easy.
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xdavidwattsx, anonymous:
Fact. Taxes for us under Bush were lower than Clinton and Obama just lowered some of them even more.
Fact. Taxes on the wealthy have plummeted in the last few decades. They have rates around 80-90 percent, Reagan lowered them substantially and they have fallen ever since. Taxes on the most wealthy are lower today than at any time since before you were born.
So, remind me what we're teabagging about?
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Chris Kidd, verified:
Basically all these events were setup by the RNC, they bought the placeholder domains several months ago when they knew they were going to lose the white house. All these events were chorographed and put together by the powerbrokers of the party. Mostly, it came out showing once again all the stereotypical view of the repubs as crazy white folks looking like a bunch of hayseed rednecks who were afraid of a intellegent black man who knows more than they do when it comes to running the country.
My main question is: How far are we from the world view of Mike Judges Idiocracy?? It seems to me we're already headed in that direction with all the mutants that showed up yesterday...
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Travis Bush, verified:
I'm wondering how many of those morons got a refund this year..
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alexander troup, verified:
I get 20 buck's back....becuase I dont drive a car and drink gas,A/T, Almish tax break...
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
Another humorous and topical image: <img src="http://uploads.postfarm.net/public/postfarm/uploads-2.0/w/wtf08.jpg">
I swear one day I'll actually contribute something of value to a political discussion.
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dallas_diner, anonymous:
"Fact. Taxes on the wealthy have plummeted in the last few decades."
But according to the WSJ:
"Notably, however, the share of taxes paid by the top 1% has kept climbing this decade -- to 39.4% in 2005, from 37.4% in 2000. The share paid by the top 5% has increased even more rapidly. In other words, despite the tax reductions of 2001 and 2003, the rich saw their share of taxes paid rise at a faster rate than their share of income."
No matter how you look at it, the "rich" pay way more than their fair share of income taxes. Complaints and protests by the poor, lower, and even middle class about their excessive income tax burden are simply laughable.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
"hayseed rednecks who are afraid of an intelligent black man who knows more than they do when it comes to running the country"
That's exactly what it looked like to me. Interesting you correlated that with Idiocracy, I was thinking the same thing. That movie would have been funny were it not for all the truth in it....
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Tracy Yost, verified:
regarding the WSJ - <a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_Wall_street_journal_republican_or_democrat">
"Is the wall street journal republican or democrat?"
"It leans republican"</a>
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jtmbls, anonymous:
Fact. Taxes on the wealthy have plummeted in the last few decades. They have rates around 80-90 percent, Reagan lowered them substantially and they have fallen ever since.
Just cause ya think 'em in yer head doesn't make 'em facts! Where are you getting your numbers, Air America?
Reagan lowered Federal Income Tax but raised every other possible tax available and he actually generated revenue for the Federal Government.
80-90% WTF?
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publicat...
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jtmbls, anonymous:
AND it his tax cuts were evenly distributed through each tax bracket.
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jtmbls, anonymous:
LOl - Tracy - Fess up! Are you Herb123??
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Scott Doyle, verified:
<i>said <b>Avie</b> Raburn</i>
omg omg omg Denton County has one too?!
Makes me lol that people think we'd threaten secession. Taking back some state sovereignty is about the best you can hope for. All this talk about Texas being the 11th largest economy in the world, blah blah blah...sure as hell wouldn't be if we tried going at it alone.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
who the hell is herb123?
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/151.html"> some tax data </a>
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Tracy Yost, verified:
ok so I did not find Herb, but did find this interesting data - Scott has 2848 posts
Pavel has 2131 posts
Jason has 1655 posts
AT has 1569 posts
tumbles has 1403 posts
Travis has 1277 posts
and the only person with more posts than Scott is Mike.
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
I can't believe Scott gets bored at work more than I do.
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jtmbls, anonymous:
lol - That's what I said! Herb123 is the guy who answered that WSJ question on Wiki.
Ooooh...Eat my dust TBush! 1404!
Scood - That is what makes me skittish about that petition. Does anyone know exactly what it takes to succeed? Make sure they don’t do it while we’re not looking!
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Jason Rice, verified:
::did find this interesting data
not impressed till you post word/character counts.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
lol! I'm pretty sure a successful secession (say that 3 times) would require more firepower than even Texans have....
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alexander troup, verified:
Who is herb123, or is it Hal...37,43.the new issued twlight version.......an electronic human.....
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
Goddamn, I'm such I noob. I only have like 140 posts. :(
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Chris Kidd, verified:
Tracy, I agree, people in this state have no clue what it would take to pull down a modern day revolt. The secessionist notions of these country hayseeds is all that is, a twisted notion.
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jtmbls, anonymous:
How can you not love a website named ragefilledrant?
http://ragefilledrant.wordpress.com/2...
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Scott Doyle, verified:
*I can't believe Scott gets bored at work more than I do.*
Bet my posts per day are half what they were in 2008, though.
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Travis Bush, verified:
Funnier still is Rick Perry (AKA GW's Altar Boy) talking about being told what to do by the federal government..He's been going down on Bush policy for so long he doesn't even have his own identity any more.
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
Seeing as we are talking about big government. What shall I buy for lunch with my grant money? (I really am hungry)
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xdavidwattsx, anonymous:
Highest tax brackets for those of you who don't seem to believe that wealthy people paid 80-90 percent in past decades and they are far lower now.
They ranged from a low of 63 percent in the 30's to a high of 91 percent before Reagan lowered them.
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-r...
At the end of the day, hearing people complain about income taxes that have continued to be lowered is laughable. Most of the areas you are seeing increases are in local sales taxes and property taxes and the Feds don't control those.
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jtmbls, anonymous:
Gasoline, utilities, tobacco, booze...and various other Excise Taxes – These are Federal.
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xdavidwattsx, anonymous:
Dude, the fed gas tax of 18 cents hasn't gone up in 12 years and I highly doubt they were teabgging against the machine over 7 bucks a month in phone and cable taxes.
Let's get real here.
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jtmbls, anonymous:
o m g - my head...brick wall...ow... You highly doubt it? Well, then...it must not be true. It couldn't possibly be...
Dude, you have no idea how jacked up white soccer moms can get when you f with their phone, cable and hair spray! NO idea!
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xdavidwattsx, anonymous:
Maybe you're right. The teabaggers might be bigger morans than I thought.
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starsfan6878, anonymous:
@John MClelland "Except that in Denton County, Republicans control every elected partisan office from Congress on down. I find it funny they are essentially protesting themselves."
Except that this wasn't a Republican event. It was a pissed-off-at-spending-my-daughter's-future event.
There are plenty of us who are just as pissed at the Republicans for their actions as we are at the Democrats for theirs.
For example, we opposed the bailout under Bush just as we opposed the "stimulus" and the budget proposal under Obama.
People think that Obama and the Democrats won because they had more supporters. In part, sure. But they also won because the Republicans lost so much support from people like me who had previously held their nose and pulled the lever despite Republican excesses.
Personally, I have decided not to vote for any incumbents next time. Period.
I hope people will join me. We'll see. =/
www.mises.org
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momzilla, anonymous:
You speak truth re Perry, Travis.
Personally, I'm not so worried about the tax rates although I do wish the system was greatly simplified.
But I am worried about congress running around with a taxpayer credit card and the White House just signing the slips without reading the detail. Someday the bill's going to arrive in the mail and it'll be coming from the Chinese, Saudis, etc.
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Tracy Yost, verified:
A different perspective - I do not like all of this bailout crap either and it didn't make sense to me on any level - until I asked my banker about it. What he told me is basically that it would be a HUGE foreign affairs nightmare if we let AIG (and others) go down, because China (and others) have invested A LOT of dollars in them. This explanation actually makes more sense to me than anything else I've heard, although, I still don't like it.
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jtmbls, anonymous:
people like me who had previously held their nose and pulled the lever
This is what I do every single time I have ever voted in a presidential election.
Obama does not have a magic wand that he can wave to make change happen. We (Democrats, Republicans and Independents!) are going to have to hold our government officials feet to the fire and take them to task on the decisions they make. They are signing bills into law that they don’t even understand! For instance, giving million dollar bonuses to executives? What the hell? And then to turn around and say “Oops! Sorry, I didn’t know that’s what I was signing!” This is unacceptable!
*Maybe you're right. The teabaggers might be bigger morans than I thought*
I will give you that. There did seem to be a disproportionate amount of extremists out for the party with some pretty weird signs but you are way over-simplifying the tax issue.
Jon Stewart had a hilarious take on the Bizarro political/media world we are experiencing last night.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/ind...
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CitizenKane, anonymous:
62 million americans didn't vote for obama and his economics.
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Alex Bentley, staff:
The video jtmbls linked to in case you don't feel like clicking:
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jtmbls, anonymous:
His economics aren't really a grand departure from Bush's either.
Thanks Alex! It's hard to not be verified! :( ...the man...keepin' me down...
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CitizenKane, anonymous:
Obam plans to quadruple the national debt over the next 10 years.
That's GRAND in my book.
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John Turner-McClelland, verified:
Starsfan: Lathan Watts = Republican. Michael Burgess = Republican. Bobbi Mitchell = Republican. Most Denton County Libertarians and Independents = Republicans too afraid to admit it publically.
Nonpartisan? Please.
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Travis Bush, verified:
I would rather spend tax dollars here than in crap holes like Iraq or Afghanistan any day. It seems to me that all these twats that are complaining now are the same ones that are still gung ho to "support the troops" by spending billions and billions in foreign countries, while our economy and infrastructure goes to hell. My advice to the tea baggers, Republicans and disgruntled retards that have lived in ignorant bliss for the past eight years... shut the hell up already!
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
That's what I was telling my girlfriend yesterday John. They had 8 years to complain about big government and big spending. Did they? No. They don't have the balls to say that the protest was a republican issue. I wouldn't have mind the protest if they only said the truth as to why. And if you managed to find one that does have the balls to admit it, they will say what Travis pointed out about Iraq and Afghanistan. "We were spreading democracy. It was well worth it."
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John Turner-McClelland, verified:
I saw some video of Lewisville's much smaller party on www.whosplayin.com for anyone interested. I learned Obama is the antichrist from watching it. I feel so informed.
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BirdGirl, anonymous:
I wonder if our dope smoking friend still likes the way things are going. Funny the only people on here protesting the RIGHT to PROTEST are those who suck on the government boob! GROW UP & GET THE BINKY OUT OF YOUR MOUTHS! You DO NOT deserve MY money!!
Was Bush a good pres..NO...is Obama a good pres...HECK no...his ONLY desire is to make people like those here whining about the TEA parties MORE dependent on government....and it is working!!!
He is DESTROYING the very foundation of this country. There will be nothing for you!
The words "let them (you) eat cake" will RING in your ears!!! Might want to look that up you ignorant Obamaites!
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