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Sunday, July 5, 2009
Man killed in drive-by shooting in downtown Dallas
Herbert Orsburn was a 10-year vendor at the Sidewalk Sale under Woodall Rodgers Freeway.
Herbert Orsburn, a 10-year vendor who was setting up the Sidewalk Sale under Woodall Rodgers Freeway in downtown Dallas Saturday, was killed by a drive-by shooter who sprayed shots into a crowd. According to this Tweet, a $5,000 reward is being offered.
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
My uncle owns the Wurst Wagon there. He said it was pretty busy for being a holiday weekend. Surprised not more people got hurt.
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Jason Rice, verified:
The WURST WAGON!!!
You're uncle is famous, dude!
Yeah, the vendors were pretty shaken up... duh!
What a terrible waste. The guy was a fixture down there. I'll miss him much more than any of the recent spate of celebs.
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Jesus Valadez, verified:
Just how famous is he? I used to help out when I was younger. such a bitch on summer days. (when it was still on um Ross Ave)
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Jason Rice, verified:
Bud! He's the guy with the whacky disco light nite-lites!
This is so upsetting.
In the past, you have probably handled my food.
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Jason Rice, verified:
Oh, sorry - your uncle - you meant.
Anyway - he's the Wurst Wagon. What more need you mention?
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Chris Kidd, verified:
Wurst Wagon was def. an institution at First Saturday. I remember stopping by during the ross ave. days when I would go shopping for "grey" copies of Win 2000 and office. Its a shame that his life ended like this, I hope they catch the SOBs accordingly.
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LaDivina, anonymous:
Aside from the Wurst Wagon, am I the only one that sees something wrong with this story? A 10 year old vendor? Typo, perhaps?
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Jason Rice, verified:
He was a vendor down there for 10 years.
Now burly ---
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Alex Bentley, staff:
Thanks, Jason -- I was about to kick myself if I had written that. :)
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vballronda, anonymous:
Dale was a great guy! I have worked down at the Sale with my father Ron Ivey and Mr. Weaver for about 5 years now. It was so horrible to see all that blood and to see them take him away. He was one of our nicest vendors down there at the Sale. We are going to miss him so much! I feel happy though that he is in a better place now! RIP DALE!
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Alex Bentley, staff:
The following was e-mailed from a reader, Diana L. Swadley:
"You may recall that a Crime Stoppers report aired on Sunday night July 5, 2009 requesting the public's help in solving the senseless murder of Mr. Orsburn. I heard the story and my heart ached for his widow and I went on with my life until Monday morning when 2 Dallas Homicide Detectives came to my home wanting to speak to my teenage son. They took him downtown, questioned him and returned him home. The detectives were doing their job and I DO NOT begrudge them or Crime Stoppers. They were more than kind to me and my son and are convinced that my son and his friend had absolutely nothing to do with this murder.
This was the malicious, vindictive and detestable act of whom I believe to be a neighbor who has been harassing and stalking my family now for 4 years. I currently have a civil lawsuit against him and he continues to bully me, my children and the neighbors who support me.
The police detectives wasted an entire day investigating this bogus crime stoppers tip. Apparently this tip provided details that brought the officers to my front door. I am unable to see this crime stoppers report, because it is anonymous and illegal for anyone to provide a copy of it to me. I spent the whole day emotionally upset, distracted from my job and physically ill from this event. My son was more resilient, but was still burdened with the humiliation of being taken away in front of his friends and having detectives asking neighbors about him.
I would like to implore you to pursue criminal charges on this person for abuse of the Crime Stoppers program and bringing false witness against my son.
It was a waste of the Dallas Police Departments time and money It degrades the integrity of the Crime Stoppers program It brought false hope for justice to a grieving widow It brought distress to totally innocent parties It was wrong!!!"
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
That sucks, but how do you legally pursue someone for submitting anonymous tips? Aren't they supposed to remain ... anonymous?
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alexander troup, verified:
Well that is the crazy stuff that is having an on location effect.....The trash shows up just after a recession's bottoms out, then the water goes out....leaving human driftwood on the beach....or jellyfish,
The Inner city is a fragile place,crazy people drift in and do as they please, kind of like the movie "Desperate Hours"....all we can do is be observant and protect our space and observe....."motion in frantic and eratic movement in second's"....passive or agressive....A/T,The Urban jungle and the Urban Pioneers.
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Travis Bush, verified:
Pavel..there are phone records and they never go away. The person could be arrested for interfering with a police investigation if it were found they submitted the false info on purpose..maybe.
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alexander troup, verified:
This sort of stuff was getting hot from 1929 to 1934, when Dallas County became a beach for poor folk's to drift to and they brought their frustration with them.......they had to legalize beer by 1933,with the repeal act and folk's got cool again, while if they legalize pot by 2010, folk's would just chill from this melting chaos....
They say folk's possessed by the Devil do acts like this, it is evil .......to just drive by and killlll.....A/T,..Good people dont have to die,but some do....sad waste of life....
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Pavel Lishin, verified:
Well, I'm not asking about the technicalities. The point I was trying to make is that a case breaks where they track down an anonymous tipster, the whole incentive for calling an anonymous tip hotline evaporates - you're no longer anonymous.
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alexander troup, verified:
This stuff is rare and then again,it could become a tide of trend's, have you been back North,I had and found the world we read is not the world that is while we had to pass a bed and stove on the freeway leaving the Bronx in 2001....and what a trip that is where the Hippie Hobo comment comes from,as for killing's,that is insane stuff......A/T, Hope for the best in the Metroplex and realize, and hope it is a rare event...
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karigoldesberry, anonymous:
I was standing about two feet from the vendor that was shot.It was my first time selling at first sat and thats why they put me next to Herbert he spoke to me about his daughter, I belive he said she was a nurse and he seemed very proud of her. moments before the shooting he had me watch while he went ti the rest room. I am the first one to notice what happened after I craweled out from undet the table I had set up in my spot. the bullets where bouncing off wheels I had set up in front on table. when i stood up and turned he was at my feet. The police told me to sit in my truck taped off around me and kept me there for four hours but never asked me one question. I clearly saw the vehicle and tge shooter.
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