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Relish this sight for you may never see it again, at least not at the Plano Centre.

Bonnie Christine

Relish this sight for you may never see it again, at least not at the Plano Centre.

— For five years, young concert promoter Mike Ziemer has given under-age suburban kids the opportunity to see live music by organizing all-ages shows at the Plano Centre.

But that era appears to be ending today: Plano Summerfest 2009, an all-day concert with 34 bands, is his last event at the facility.

Ziemer, 23, is a wunderkind who began booking shows when he was 18, after moving here from California while in high school. It's become a full-time job. He's booked thousands of shows, starring bands that have gone on to major indie-rock success such as Coheed and Cambria. If you're a teen between the ages of 12 and 18 and you live north of Dallas, you've probably attended one of his near-monthly shows.

But according to Ziemer, the Plano Centre has changed its policies and will no longer allow him to do concerts there after July.

"In January, they implemented a new policy that attendees have to be 18 and up," he said. "Or, if it's going to be all-ages, then 75% of the kids have to be accompanied by a parent. That's not really viable. I feel like they've made discriminatory rules against us doing shows that will only affect me, no other trade shows."

Plano Centre says "No more Mike."

Plano Centre says "No more Mike."

The Centre, a city facility in northeast Plano that can be rented, ostensibly, by anyone, was the site of the "Dimebag" Darryl Abbott funeral in December '04; but its events tend to run along the lines of prayer breakfasts, craft shows, and marriage boot camps.

Curious about what would provoke the Plano Centre to change its policy regarding Ziemer after five years of seeming success, I called sales manager Jo Rivers on Thursday afternoon to ask what had changed. When I alluded to Ziemer, she became instantly combative.

"No, I don't want to be part of your article," she said. "We've asked him to sign a different style of contract, and he does not want to sign it. It's the same we would with any concert or special event. It's not unusual. It's standard. He has signed a general wedding, general party contract, and that's not what he's putting on."

When I asked for more specifics about the contract, she claimed she had another call and would call me back. She did not.

Ziemer suspects the facility turned sour on his events after a show in December in which trash was left on the property, and a fixture at the facility was damaged; he paid for its repair. They presented him with a new contract that he refused to sign; the previous contract he had with the facility was good until July. He had a meeting with Rivers and then-manager Jim Stroup, who has since retired.

"I talked to them and said, 'What can we do?" They said, 'We'll give you your last six shows, but we can't do anything other than that.'

"In the past, anything they've requested, I've always complied," he said. "They made me have insurance, officers, anything that's ever been damaged, I’ve paid for. It's not like I've been somebody with an attitude."

On Friday, Interim Manager Mark Thompson called from a conference he was attending in New Orleans and tried to offer more details about the contract, except that he didn't have the details.

"Eight or nine months ago, there was a contract change at the Plano Centre," he said. "It had some additional stipulations, but I don't have it in front of me. Probably some additional stipulations about public events. The wording, I could not tell you what that is. I'm assuming it has some kind of stipulation that if it is a public event, a concert, then X-Y-Z needs to be met."

Thompson then repeated a common Plano Convention and Visitors Bureau theme: that the city is trying to attract meetings that will generate "room nights" -- hotel reservations from out-of-town guests.

"We did a survey of the hotels and [Ziemer's events] didn't do that, it's a kids' event," he said. "We're going more aggressively after things that will generate room hotel room nights. When we look at revenue, we look at people coming in from outside the county. I'm sure some of his are coming from outside the county. But he does very little food and beverage. The kids do help all the local surrounding restaurants. But they may have been doing that anyway on a weekend."

Ziemer comes back with numbers that sound fairly impressive: "The [Centre's] concession stand can do $8,000 on the nights of our shows -- they kill it," he said. "It's been seven months since I sat down with them in December, and there's been no incident, but they still aren't willing to budge."

"My idea from the start was to put on safe shows," he said. "For the most part, it's kids going to a show, loving the music, loving the band, then leaving. Now they don't have anywhere to go until we find a new place. We have other places welcoming us -- but it's not the place we've built."



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These shows are great for the kids and their music scene.

Not sure why the PC just doesn't come out and say they don't want shows like that anymore. I guess they don't need the $$.

In his down economy, I'll bet there will be other venue's that will welcome the biz.

okme2 Anonymous

4 months, 1 week ago
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I am actually glad to see these shows go. Since Mike Zeimer got involved with the local music scene it has gone downhill. His involvement with Buzz-Oven led to its demise. Marketing the shows as " Come out and be Seen, if you aren't there you aren't cool" may be great for attendance, but in my opinion does nothing for the bands or their music.

bigtexastommyt Anonymous

4 months, 1 week ago
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Oh, and he booked Coheed and Cambria, but I don't believe they actually played.

bigtexastommyt Anonymous

4 months, 1 week ago
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bigtexastommy...teens go out to be seen and see their friends..not sure what part of that you don't understand..as well, the Dallas music scene doesn't suffer from kids getting together and listening to music..better they be at this kind of venue than say at a mall listening to the latest teen drivel.

Travis Bush Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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BTW..Sounds like Plano is being cheapskate, but no worries! All those kids will just come to the big city and find some mischief..then wait for the real bitching to start.

Travis Bush Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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dude, i work with teens, daily. i understand your point, but the dynamic has changed. kids are usually much more passionate about music than adults, but that passion isn't being directed to the local scene anymore. adults don't buy albums anymore, they illegally download them. children do however, but they aren't buying music from local bands, because they don't really care about them, they view local bands as something that gives them fashion ideas

bigtexastommyt Anonymous

4 months, 1 week ago
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Not so much cheapskate, I'd say, but trying to shift their attention to something that's more profitable for the entire city - the hotel reservations and all that.

Pavel Lishin Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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I AM SO PISSED OFF AT THE PREJUDICE! THIS IS ENOUGH! STOP HATING THE INNOCENT!

The scene is dying, not because of ticket prices, the economy, or people not going to shows, etc. It is dying from the prejudice against anyone that has a passion for underground music. I hate labels. I hate stupidity. I hate the fear of difference. Meaning, if you wear black t-shirts and/or have a passion for underground music, you must be a, criminal, drug addict and alcoholic. That is what happened with Mike and the Plano Centre, and that is what happened to Fat Daddy's Sound Shack when we tried to open a new venue. That is what, The City of Plano, and Bill Goodson, the Mayor of Whitewright and the Whitewright Police Department think. I am sure there are some bad people in the music scene, but there are also bad people that go to Church under the cloak of “I am a good person, I go to Church”. The Whitewright Police Department even posted this as a comment on our website. To read what they posted, visit http://www.fatdaddyssoundshack.com

Definition of "Ageism" is below.

Ageism refers to the stereotyping of and discrimination against individuals or groups because of their age. It is a set of beliefs, attitudes, norms, and values used to justify age based prejudice and discrimination.

Modern-day America is a bad place to be young. We have an increasing multitude of insulting age-laws confining youth to second-class citizenship. We also have courts enforcing a double-standard of justice. In the Summer of 1998, for example, the Supreme Court ruled that if an employee is sexually harassed by a co-worker or manager, the employer is legally responsible even if the employer didn’t know about it - that same week, the Supreme Court ruled that if a student is sexually harassed by a teacher, the school is not responsible unless the victim can prove school authorities knew about it and took no action.

But more than that, ageism is ingrained in our culture, influencing the minds of nearly everyone, and causing youth to face hostility and unfairness at every turn.

Definition of "Prejudice" is below.

Prejudice, unsubstantiated prejudgment of an individual or group, favorable or unfavorable in character, tending to action in a consonant direction. The hostility that prejudice can engender and the discrimination to which it may lead on the part of a dominant population toward an ethnic group, gender, religious or linguistic minority have caused great human suffering throughout history. Some researchers attribute prejudice to deep-rooted “fear of the stranger,” while others cite religious or nationalist chauvinism, and fear of economic competition.

fatdaddys Anonymous

4 months, 1 week ago
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My HS band, back in the day, started this whole PC concert thing. It's kinda funny to see where it's led to.

Collin Gouldin Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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I actually find the opposite experience as bigtexastommyt. In general, adults (over the age of 30) buy CD's while persons in their teens and twenties are more into paid or free downloads.

However, teens are paying money to go to these concerts of which a portion of the ticket price is going to pay the bands. So the teens are directly supporting the local music scene by attending the concerts, not to mention merchandise sales.

There have been commercial successes to come out the Plano teen scene, including Universal Records artists Forever the Sickest Kids. I won't argue over critical or artistic successes though as those are a matter of personal taste.

Chris Bender Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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Pavel..any city government worth their salt could arrange so both could be accommodated, don't you think? I mean really, do you cut off your left arm to benefit your right arm? It doesn't seem to me that Plano is looking out for the interest of its younger citizens.

And the Whiteright thing..well, that's just redneck Texas for you..

"but they aren't buying music from local bands, because they don't really care about them, they view local bands as something that gives them fashion ideas"

Teens care about things?

Travis Bush Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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It doesn't matter which way you splice it, for every dollar you put into the arts whether it be rock and roll or otherwise you get $8-$12 returned into the local economy where the activity takes place.

I don't know much about the promoter or the venue, but it looks to be a foolish short-sighted decision on part of the venue owner/operator.

Plus- What ever happened to letting something continue because it was the right thing to do, not because of the money? The city should be thrilled that this is providing an outlet for kids.

Kudos to Mike Ziemer, keep up the good work.

Blue Shoe Mike Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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I think it's what we are seeing across the City of Plano landscape. Revenues are down so they need to boost revenues. Short term revenue gains like these get bumped looking for higher net revenue.

Some weird policies are grabbing for bigger dollars.... but making the smaller ones not just less likely but downright impossible. I just hope this kind of gamble pays off in the long run.

I don't like seeing the venue underutilized. In a year, if the events haven't been replaced by "heads in beds" ones then we all lose big. Yeah, I have a small dog in this Plano-venue fight, so I have mixed feelings. If this policy doesn't work it will seriously hurt the venues. If it works well enough to get exuberant about.... then smaller producers are toast.

Jason Rice Verified

4 months, 1 week ago
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