Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan protesting outside George Bush’s Dallas home Monday afternoon

jtmbls says:

Uh, what exactly are they protesting?

zainypagan says:

They are protesting the fact that Bush is a war criminal that has so far not been arrested for his activities.

jtmbls says:

Oh, I see. Hey! There's a squirrel outside my window!

jtmbls says:

Oh, so then she's not as crazy as she seems. Just willing to exploit her son's death for profit. Nice.

jtmbls says:

No kidding Jason. We need to hang out with that guy more. Always in the right place at the right time.

We could just stalk him if he resists. Even the fallout from his conversations would prove a wealth of information.

Cindy Sheehan has every right to express her opinion

And I have every right to express mine. The lady clearly has a few screws loose. To be polite.

chriss says:

Glad to see most of you are so nonchalant about war criminals going unpunished. Let's hope your apathy and cynicism are as steadfast next time (and you know there'll always be a next time) the US decides to stomp on some Third World country and there's a campaign demonizing its leader as "another Hitler", etc.

Red1980 says:

Wow people, read a book! If the president is a war criminal then so also are the Congressmen and women who voted to go to war with Iraq - 77 of 100 Senators and 296 of 435 House Members voted to authorize the president to "use the armed forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq." 263 Republicans AND 111 Democrats. If you hate Bush for going to war you better also hate these people. The War Powers Act of 1973 requires an act of Congress to go to War. The President can only commit troops for 90 days without Congressional intervention. In 2002, Congress passed the Iraq Resolution with the vote numbers shown above. Stop smoking weed and learn some American history!

ch0 says:

This is true. Lock them up as well. Hail King Hussein!

jtmbls says:

chriss...Such an opportunist. Any old excuse to throw in the big H name.

chriss says:

Red1980--I do know American history, thanks. I also happen to know a little something about international law and the Geneva Conventions and you and Cho are absolutely right--the craven, spineless Congressfools who authorized W's Bogus Adventure ought to be tried right along with him and his courtiers--no argument there. Jtmbls--'Twas not I who decided that the Big H would be the lazy person's shorthand for unparalleled evil, even though I admit I've exploited it. And in this case I'm criticizing the practice. If we were a better country, we'd give lots more thought and attention to our own history of genocide, slave labor and racist belief in our "Manifest Destiny" than we would to Other People's Tyrants.

chriss says:

PS. I only wish I smoked as much weed as you seem to think I do.

jtmbls says:

If we were a better country

Says the spoiled little American, still living in America I presume? Having no problem whatsoever living rather well compared to the majority of the world, thanks to this evil country full of evil citizens and leaders. Perhaps, now that you have mastered America's shameful history, you should study the histories of other lands and you might find our progress rather impressive.

As an American, I am more ashamed of attitudes like yours than anything I've ever read in an American history book.

ch0 says:

This thread is making me want to smoke of the tweeds.

BTW, Sheehan has NADA on Fred Phelps. Nadadam.

momzilla says:

As I recall, Phelps was a Sadaam Hussein supporter writing him admiring letters and so forth and even travelled to Iraq to protest against the United States. In other words, he has more in common with Cindy Sheehan than George Bush. Phelps is one of those guys that really tests our dedication to the first amendment, does he not?

tetsujin28 says:

We should protest the fact that any culture would elect a sociopath president.

jtmbls says:

Ha! Find me a politician that doesn’t have sociopathic tendencies or isn’t a complete pacifist. Good luck.

Oh, Rudy...Why hast thou abandoned me?!?!?

TomTPlano says:

I was there on Monday with Cindy.

jtmbls says:

Well that is a shame. Just think of all the really constructive things you could have been doing that day like feeding the homeless, collecting food for the local pantries or mentoring a child.

Instead, you chose to spend your day following around a person who is obviosly not playing with a full deck to the private home of an EX president and accomplished...? In two weeks, no one will even remember you were there. Not even Sheehan, as she will be too busy picking up her blood money. (I guess the administration were not the only people profiting from this war).

So, congratulations! Hope they at least paid for your gas money.

zainypagan says:

Jt if your not interested in holding Bush accountable for his criminal behavor then that is on you. Cindy Sheehan is not lazy like you are and is not giving up. As for people not playing with a full deck, well that would be anyone who ever supported the Bush empire.

ch0 says:

Me conservative Pa were a staunch Republican for many decades before the reign of King Bush II. Now he sounds more like the peoples of me generation.

chriss says:

Jtmbls--If you had ever traveled anywhere else you might realize that all Americans are spoiled in certain ways. I was born in the US and have paid taxes here since I was old enough to work. Last time I looked that gives me the right to express my opinion about the way this little horrorshow is run without being told "Love it or leave it". I got 3 words for that attitude, and they ain't "God bless America." But you are right, I'd love to give somewhere else a try (like my grandparents and great-grands did and some of my friends have done). This is no longer (if it ever really was) the only place in the world one can live well. In fact, certain countries outrank us as far as standard of living goes. The main reason I'm still here is that I promised to spend the rest of my life with a woman who has a job and a developmentally-challenged sister that she can't leave.
Are you saying that because someone lives comfortably, they shouldn't pay any attention to what is being done to produce that comfort? Sounds kind of immoral to me. And I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. I never said the country as a whole or everybody in it is evil. Or that other countries were necessarily better. If I felt that way, I'd have been gone years ago (during Daddy Bush's Iraq War, specifically). Are you one of these bipolar people who thinks countries are either good or bad and can't be both? Grow up, and read some real history books, not the nationalist mythology that so often passes for history. If you knew anything about this country's history, you'd know that one of the founding principles is that the PEOPLE have the right and duty to send their leaders packing when they do things they shouldn't. You prove my point when I bring up our shameful past and you automatically switch to other countries'.

Scott--next time you get a traffic ticket or any other fine, tell the cop or judge that your offense is in the past and suggest we all move on. Let me know how that works for you.

Cho--ditto. I know lots of conservative older folks who now sound like campus radicals.

jtmbls says:

Really...Well thank you for the education chriss. What do I owe you, ten cents?

Forgive me but I thought one would infer from my comment that yes, we are all spoiled Americans. The difference would be is that while some of us appreciate our opportunities and are capable of gratitude, there are those who would rather place blame on others for our lifes circumstance. I really don't need to hear about your personal challenges; we all have them. I'm just sorry they are keeping you from fulfillment.

If you were truly as outraged as you claim, you would be doing something actually effective towards the former administration as opposed to Sheehan style pointless drama. But then it's so much easier to sit back and feel superior now isn't it?

Wish I could say we'll miss you.

jtmbls says:

OMG! Somebody please take the photoshop away from Jason and Travis! I think I just pulled a muscle!!

jtmbls says:

arg! Why is there no copy/paste on the iPhone?!

chriss says:

Scott--you're absolutely right. It is a terrible analogy, in that anything you would do to get some ticket is nothing compared to invading a country under false pretenses and the ensuing deaths of thousands upon thousands of people. How 'bout this: if/when we catch Osama, let's do nothing in the name of moving on?

Jason--what I meant was that my forebears came here and left the places they came from, making them not-very-patriotic Russians, Scots, etc. My parents have done what you suggest (3rd World) internally, by leaving high-tax NY for low-tax SC (where they bitch about how ignorant the locals are--that's what happens when you don't fund schools.) Canada has 6 months of winter and they don't speak other languages, so I'll have to forego that beer, sadly. I do have a friend, though, who has spent the last 18 years in Japan and Ireland and paid their high taxes and has no plans to return for anything longer than a visit. Another has lived in Sweden, Russia and was last heard from in Chile. Can't say I know Tumbles well enough to determine whether she is a mindless follower or not. Some people can be very independent in some areas and surprisingly sheeplike in others.

Jtmbls--you don't owe me a red cent--this is pro bono. Once again, just because I've made some negative comments it doesn't mean I view the whole country negatively. That's as unrealistic as the opposite view of this country as an endless procession of sunshine and orgasms. "...place blame on others for our lifes circumstance (sic)". Isn't that what others are here for ?!?!!?!! And my life is far from unfulfilled. Maybe you'd be good enough to tell me what one does that would be effective, beyond letter-writing, protest actions, etc. Some individuals have attempted citizens' arrests of Cheney and Rumsfeld, but I'm sure you consider that Cindy Sheehan-style drama queening. There are legal people trying to get indictments in the courts of Spain, Belgium and Germany (why not this one???), but of course that's not gonna happen. The point is you can't just give up on justice because the perpetrators seem untouchable. Now, I suppose there are more drastic measures that could be taken, but those would most likely involve things like kidnapping and assassination.
Yes, it is much easier to sit back and feel superior. But I continue to pay taxes to the war machine (and the war machine continues under Obama--Sheehan & Co. should be dogging him) so I'm as guilty as anyone. You won't miss me 'cause I won't be going anywhere for a while.

chriss says:

Jason again--you can still be "Evil", you just have to do it on your own, admittedly harder.

Scott again--how is Sheehan "protesting an entire culture"?? I haven't been following her exploits lately, but doesn't she use such icons as motherhood and her son's military service? Surely you're not so radical you think US culture is just unadulterated militarism? No argument about We the People being culpable, though whether or not we actually voted W in twice (or even once) is the subject of some debate. But we seem to get warmongering no matter who is in office. Detentions, torture and bombing of civilians continue under Obama. And it looks as if we're getting mired in even more countries. So-called liberals like Clinton can often get away with things so-called conservatives can't.

jtmbls says:

Wow - You really read all that Doyle?

jtmbls says:

Needs Likes button so I can rah-rah comments I agree with and not feel pressured to actually type anything.

Maybe I will use that fancy-schmancy Feedback button to suggest it!

jtmbls says:

Hey! Where did the Feedback button go?

jtmbls says:

Oh no! But I loved the random emoticons! Type in how you feel and it makes that very face. :( just doesn't cut it.

Oh well, back to complaining the old fashioned way.

chriss says:

Scott-"Uppity" is my middle name. Bush does not and did not represent "the culture" except in the most negative of ways. Protesting Bush is NOT protesting the US. OK, you don't like my analogies (and I'm not allowed to mention that other war criminal who was elected), so let's hear yours. Hint: try one of those insane or brain-damaged Roman emperors like Claudius or Caligula.

Scott and Jtmbls-"You really read 'all' that Doyle?" "Are you kidding? I stopped after the first sentence..." Maybe one of the real problems with "the culture" is that lots of people seem not to be able to focus on anything longer than a fortune-cookie message.

chriss says:

Yeah, what he said.

chriss says:

Is that why the yanks had to come down there and show you that pretending you could own other human beings wasn't a good thing?

TomTPlano says:

I was there with Cindy Sheehan. Here is the video. While the march was a great opportunity to lose some weight, see a rich neighborhood, and make some important moral points...watching the humor on this Thread also has its benefits.

Here are photos of inside the Bush home. http://cbs11tv.com/slideshows/george.... The bedroom and closets are kind of interesting. George brings Laura coffee early in the mornings. What will she do when he is in prison?

chriss says:

Jason--Great graphic, but I don't know if it's really accurate. Bad as You-Know-Who was, I don't think he would've backed out of an exchange with the sort of weak-ass copout Scott used. For the record I don't consider youse guys any more savage than the people here and that was an ungracious comment. In my defense, I had more than several cocktails under my belt when I wrote it. As you know, the carpetbaggers only gave lip service to "uplifting" the South; they were really in it to line their pockets--another great analogy to the US in Iraq.

TomTPlano says:

I get a kick out of this 2 minute humor video where Trevor talks to kids about President Bush.

chriss says:

Truce it shall be then. And they were vodkas with limeade and pineapple juice. If you were present, I'd make us up a batch, but here's a Father's Day peace offering:

Go to YouTube and pull up "Dad, Thanks for Not Pulling Out". I predict it'll become the right-to-lifers' new theme song!

TomTPlano says:

The Observer, Sunday 21 June 2009

Confidential memo reveals US plan to provoke an invasion of Iraq http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/20...

"A confidential record of a meeting between President Bush and Tony Blair before the invasion of Iraq, outlining their intention to go to war without a second United Nations resolution, will be an explosive issue for the official inquiry into the UK's role in toppling Saddam Hussein."

"The memo, written on 31 January 2003, almost two months before the invasion and seen by the Observer, confirms that as the two men became increasingly aware UN inspectors would fail to find weapons of mass destruction (WMD) they had to contemplate alternative scenarios that might trigger a second resolution legitimising military action."

"Bush told Blair the US had drawn up a provocative plan "to fly U2 reconnaissance aircraft painted in UN colours over Iraq with fighter cover". Bush said that if Saddam fired at the planes this would put the Iraqi leader in breach of UN resolutions...."

chriss says:

Even further back was the "worst case scenario" envisioned before Daddy Bush's Gulf War: that Saddam would withdraw from Kuwait and the war couldn't happen.

Genesis says:

If she was really still aching over the loss of her son, perhaps her little group should carry their "Accountability" sign over to Washington. They should ask why 2 former Gitanamo prisoners are happily riding golf carts at an island resort...while our sons and daughters are being brought back in body bags, all the while our troops' own Rules Of Engagement is putting them in harms way; Miranda Rights for terrorists? Where are you on all this Cindy Sheehan?