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Saturday, March 28, 2009

Atheist billboards to go up in Dallas, Fort Worth

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I think they should have gone with their first idea.

I think they should have gone with their first idea.

I'm sure this will go over well in these parts: Two billboards with this message - "Don’t believe in God? You are not alone." - are scheduled to be unveiled on Monday in Dallas and Fort Worth. The billboards will be located on I-35E near Loop 12 in Dallas and on I-35W near Braswell Drive.

The billboards are courtesy of Metroplex Atheists, who say they're not trying to convert anybody, but merely trying to let other people with similar beliefs know there is a group for them.

Posted by Alex B.



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WHO WANT TO BELIEVE IN THAT...

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Yay! I'm not alone. So where would I find my fellow atheists?

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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In a bathroom or a movie house or a garbage can or in locked car... they have this place where they are alone....they are silent about.....why is life so hard to me and there is no GOD.....To help me, now that is the kind of folks I have meet who I felt, had missed one meaning..

Then I met some of the other types and they were Zen like and good people, who did no throw away their life...and I could of gone off with them and lived that simple life without GOD....A/T, Pick you posion or choose your GOD,... In God we Trust..

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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I get tickled at Atheist organizations. Here in the Bible belt they make perfect sense... because yes, they are the presumed outcasts.

Other places, however, they strike me about as logical as an Anarchist Union or a Nihilism Standards Committee.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Oh, and for the record, Jesus.

You are alone.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Lol, I tickle Jason.

My school(UTD) has an atheist group but they meet on Fridays. WTF, what makes them think I want to drive down there on Fridays? I have babes to abort.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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:( meanie

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Jesus -- you feel alone because you obviously MISS the whole point of a "Friday Meeting"

Let's see (it's math, so stay with me)

College = 40% chance of beer Friday = 60% chance of beer Atheist = 50% chance of party with loose chicks

Um, Jesus. The only thing that would confuse NORMAL folk is the "Atheist", but in your case it may be the "Friday"... With a name THAT Catholic, you've GOT to be used to a Saturday night party (since Sunday goes Tabula Rasa with a coupla Hail Mary's) - so just shift your expectations 24 hours.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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They're just trying to 'fill the void'

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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I see, I see. I shall go next time they have one. I will report my findings next week.

I don't think the girlfriend will like the loose chicks though. She already thinks I'll leave her catholic self for an immoral atheist girl.

(posting from my iphone takes too long)

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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this group is involved in the campaign too: http://www.meetup.com/Dallas-Plano-At...

they have meet-ups every week, on different days. a fantastic group of people.

SteveM Anonymous

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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LOL @ the athiest meetings...isn't that kind of like going to church?

Travis Bush Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Woohoo, about time!

crowlogic Anonymous

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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@ travis

why the atheist group doesn't interest me. I don't want to talk about why we don't believe. Boooring.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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If you are going to be an athiest, at least have the balls to not be a snivelling whining turd about it.

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Clay, stand down and be polite. Ive seen Atheist/Humanist more on fire about what they believe, not to mention less offensive, in both words and actions than most of the christians in this town. Eventhough I dont profess to their world view, I respect theirs and their right to it accordingly.

Chris Kidd Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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chris..methinks he knows all about being a sniveling turd..

Travis Bush Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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The people in that meetup group look like a bunch of boring dorks telling awkward and unfunny jokes.

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Clay - dude you had totally spiked it with "fill the void" <LMAO score 10 + 2 for style>

Take the win and leave the squabbles...

fill the void... dang... lofl

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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The one I'm waiting for.

Now THAT's commitment

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Pegasus News fills my void.

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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One more vote for Miko goin' 501(c)3

Our Lady of Perpetual Opinions

<font size="1">(on the other hand, do I want anything to do with anything that does ANY filling of cho?)</font>

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I didn't realize I was whining, lol

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not referring to you.

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh. My mistake.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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That's all you can expect for a true Atheist. "It's all about them" now isn't it?

Fortunately, the rest of us are more tolerant and engaged.
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Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Reminds me of the Christians who use to hang out and berate passers by in Deep Ellum. What's the point?

chasd00 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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i guarantee, clay213, that any one of the "dorks" in that meetup group has more intellect in their little finger than you do in your entire body. the level of discourse at those meetings would make your scrawny, primordial brain explode.

go crawl back under your rock, clinging to your ancient mythologies...

SteveM Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Please tell me what ancient mythologies I am clinging to?

I'm glad the 'level of discourse' at the dork circle jerk is so high.

Could you tell us a good atheist joke?

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Q: Why did the Rationalist cross the road? A:To be sure to see both sides.

Google has failed me.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, great. Steve's god can beat up Clay's God.

OoooH   Whoooo! I call dibs on the recliner!!!

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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*...who say they're not trying to convert anybody, but merely trying to let other people with similar beliefs know there is a group for them.*

I'm sure this is what old-school settlers tried telling the locals.

And Jesus, methinks rationalists would lean more towards agnostic than atheist. Flat-out denying the existence of any deity seems like an ill-reached conclusion - without information to speak of, tough to make an informed decision.

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey you, ya you Scott. I just did copa and pasta. :p

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sure ScoDo --- but I DARE you to find a real rallying cry for Agnosticism that will get people to pony up the pricetag for a billboard.

But the BEST part of Agnosticism is that you get invited to both the Presbyterian Potluck and the Atheist Kegger.

I'm thinkin' Jesus showed his cards too soon.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, I'm down with anything that will make clays brain explode. Is there a cover charge??

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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We don't call it a cover charge.

It's an offering.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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(that way it's deductible)

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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JV, you hinting that atheism is just as irrational as believing?

I sure as hell am. (pun obviously intended) =p

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Irrational? As in Hippasus?
That IS a helluva pun.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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So Scott - are you an Atheist or an Agnostic when it comes to the sun god Ra, or Zeus, or any of the hundreds of non-christian gods being worshipped today? Do you find it "tough to make an informed decision" about the existence of Shiva? I'll bet you don't. Atheists believe about YOUR god the same thing YOU believe about those gods.

My favorite atheist quote: "We're all atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you"

SteveM Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I could totally see Doyle in a grass skirt and tribal paint. BELIEVE SCOTT, BELIEVE!

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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::My favorite atheist quote

Wow, Clay - go get 'em. I'll hold 'im, you hit 'im.

Steve?? Did you read that before you put your name on it? It's -- well -- dumb -- and NO not in the Oscar Wilde "say something backwards and it's clever" sorta way.

    a-, an- Greek: a prefix meaning: no, absence of, without, lack of, not

Amoral doesn't mean "Having one less moral" in the same way acephalous means having no head or ruler and anarchy means having no system of government.

Like I say, an idea in a book is maybe philosophy. If it's knocking on my door in a white pressed shirt, it's a religion.

I think I'll extend that to billboards.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Steve, I said deity - no specific beliefs mentioned.

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Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Come on Doyle, don't be a party pooper. Give Ra a booty shake at least. You never know!

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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But you can bet includes killing chickens

As he appears in my nightmares

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sorry Jason,

My brain has exploded from discourse. But hey as long as their meetings involve discourse and not intercourse it's all good.

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Scott,

Do you believe in Zeus? Why not? Whatever the reason (because there is no evidence of his existence, maybe?), that's the same reasoning you could use to conclude that no deity exists.

Jason, it's not that difficult:

Atheism means "without theistic beliefs". You (I would guess) are "without theistic beliefs" when it comes to Ra, Zeus and Shiva. You are an atheist regarding those gods (and hundreds more).

Atheists like myself just add one more god to the list.

SteveM Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Fairly sure the only thing Doyle believes in is drink specials and no cover...

Travis Bush Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Ooo, do me. What do I believe in?

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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SteveM, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what mythologies I am clinging to.

Also: Please tell us some more atheist jokes from your meetings! Thanks!

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I believe in Love, but you can't prove that exists either.

Lisa Lawrence Merritt Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Love is when I get a funny feeling in my pants.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Again, something that has no proof.

Lisa Lawrence Merritt Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Steve, rationale is connected to the reasoning bone. The reasoning bone is connected to the fact bone. You have no factual evidence against existence of a deity (from what I can tell)...meaning you don't have a leg to stand on. In 1909 do you think people had any reason to believe we'd be discussing this on computers via the internet a mere century later?

Dismissing something's potential simply because it has yet to be proven is simply closed-minded, imo. Obviously I'm not on the bandwagon to worship anything that has no rational explanation, but I'm not going to denounce the notion a deity could exist solely because there's no substantial documentation of it.

My only qualms arise when believers or absolute non-believers push their agenda. Billboards are designed to market, not just inform. Claiming you're not pushing your views on peeps while posting an advertisement clearly involves using something other than your intelligence-laden pinkie.

Yost, I firmly believe you should host an evening of discussion with $2 Stella and - of course - no cover.

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not to mention, I particularly enjoy positions that allow me to bait both sides of an argument. &lt;3

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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$2. Stella? How about bread and wine?

Lisa Lawrence Merritt Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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More like bread &amp; whine, AMIRITE?

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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::Atheism means "without theistic beliefs"

Then use the word that way. Atheism is the philosophical position that deities do not exist, not cherry picking here and there a Deity to oppose. ALL. (Not MY definition - Mine runs a lot more cynical)

Your argument is nonsense. It's not logic. It's not valid debate. It's not even good sleight of hand.

Clay - I thought you were being harsh, but I think you're spot on. (And everyone knows how mortally difficult it is for me to agree with Clay) I'm sure this guy's buds sit around and are very impressed with their ability to quibble the definition of what the word "is" is.

Steve. I'm sure you're "the smartest guy in the room" because "people can't out-debate you." I didn't chat with the automatons at Chuck E. Cheese either after the first try in kindergarten. You got a bonus round, because I wanted Clay to be wrong. C'est la vie!

Ciao! (Dead to me)

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, and Jesus - you believe in the Easter Bunny, Better Government through Transparency and that if you gun it through a yellow light and stay just over the speed limit you'll hit the next two or three green.

Quaint, old fashioned and endearing to your favorite Catholic girl.
(Generally, you're wrong, but it's worth keeping the girl)

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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sigh<br> Go free speech?

Rachel Skinner Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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<a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/First_amendment">1st amendment</a> only applies to dealings with the government, Rachel. I'm afraid these here internets are open season.

Regardless, if that's your game...would we not have every right to publicly criticize? =p

Scott Doyle Verified

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More jokes for clay (preview has the image like really big. hopefully it doesn't come out that way. : )

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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oh damn, i messed up the page. Someone delete.

Face_doh

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Since Steve seems to be lacking in the Atheist jokes department.. I will help out

mr gruff

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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GOD BLESS .........MCDONALDS HAMBURGERS...A/T..

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wikipedia says, "Strong atheism" is the positive belief that a god does not exist. "That's me!" And I am extremely happy!

I generally don't consider myself any type of 'ist' or 'ian', and I don't know why Atheists feel the need to assemble in groups.

Speaking of groups, did you know there are more than 10,000 distinct religions operating around the world right now. I'm guessing someone is wrong. Could it be...everyone of them?

I don't have a problem with the billboards- they might actually convert some folks! (Oh no, Yost is the devil!) But honestly, once I was old enough (still a very young adult) to realize the foolishness of religion, and the fact that I would never be able to change the world to my logical view, I decided to just live my life, sensibly, under the wire. I'll let the billboard people try to change the world. Good luck.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Youknow......the devil has Been hanging around since....gosh..35 BC,..the myth and history of such, While to beleive or not to beleive that is a good question, weather it is noble in ambition or the question is found as a solution in what we do to keep thy negihbor a good freind... Atheist do one great thing...they do conform, and to a non GOD in their faith there is no devil and no sorrow..While Stalin was an atheist..A/T, ..Life is heavy...

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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A/T, ..Life is heavy...

Life is of the weight you want to carry. I don't want to carry all the folklore, myths, traditional stupidity, war, cruelty, imagined guilt, and hypocrisy.

And as far as my neighbor- I'm never going to murder my neighbor because he 'believes'- however in certain neighborhoods on the planet, I would be put to death for not 'believing'.
Go figure. Religion corrupts- absolutley!

Peace.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t “freedom of religion” mean the freedom to believe or not believe in religion?

I only wished that also means the “freedom of not being judged for the religion you believe or don't believe in.”

Welcome to the bible belt. Le sigh.

burlyqueen Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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The bible belt doesn't take kindly to mexicans who don't believe. :(

I'm afraid to go to the NASCAR race in November.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Rick.... ,you have found some Zen to what maybe an Atheist is,the good ones...we tend to misjudge,or even miss that trip the the far East.....are not they Atheist. It is true, we must one day throw away alot of old hidden worn out ways of life, Baggage and trash, even some outdated Christian ones, meanings that no longer carry life...A/T, this is a good Peg view...

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Burly- I agree!
We have the right to choose whether or not to watch Jerry Springer, or go to a Monster Truck rally. Similarly, we should have the choice of whether to wallow in blind communal-idiocy or not.

And unfortunately, the bible belt wraps all the way around the world.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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If the organized religions around the world wanted to seriously help the people they loom over, especially in the current economic environment- shouldn't they be helping the economy by PAYING TAXES?

I guess freedom of religion means freedom from taxation. That's convenient. Amen!

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Freedom of religion", just like "freedom of the press" is something that the government can't take away from us. People can still legally glower at me for being a godless heathen, just like they can glower at me for cursing in public because their brats won't shut the hell up at the store.

Anyway, the one positive side of these billboards that I see is that kids growing up here surrounded by churches will see them and will understand that there are others that share their beliefs (or lack thereof, to beat the pedants to the punch) and that it's okay to stop going to a church whose god you don't believe in.

Pavel Lishin Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Pavel- well said. However, don't fool yourself- there's not a 'right' you have today that the U.S. Government won't take away from you if it suits their purpose. It's been done before.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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As if it would make a difference...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090331/o...

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yost and Pavel!! At Last!!!

Thank God, finally the real atheists showed up to unsmirch the stupidity.

Careful about asking the churches to pay taxes. The ambiguity of tax exemption is the one thing used to bridle hellfire campaigns from the pulpit of fearmongering and ideocracy.... oh we just did that.

(But imagine knowing going in that the guy was gonna sell your daughter cause Bumpy the god of Stereo Imaging told him to).

They pay - they play.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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All hail Bumpy! I like it! Makes as much sense to me as the rest.

Rick Yost Verified

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Yost said this:

"Speaking of groups, did you know there are more than 10,000 distinct religions operating around the world right now. I'm guessing someone is wrong. Could it be...everyone of them?",

which is pretty much exactly what i've been saying, but somehow he's "unsmirching the stupidity"? go figure

SteveM Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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SteveM- I hate that too! No one ever listens to the individual- he's crazy! Now let two or more folks, with the same view, speak what they feel is true, and they are a group to be respected and at least listened to. We are a society(a group) that just loves groups. Individuals are crazy!

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Freedom of religion, just like freedom of speech, is in the 1st amendment...which keeps government from prosecuting - we can persecute all we want.

This is why it's especially fun not believing in, but also not denying, the potential existence of a deity. I can sit on my throne of indecision and laugh at all you bitches forming your little groups.

Again, I could not care less what you believe in, disbelieve in, etc - as long as you keep it to yourself. Billboard --&gt; marketing --&gt; attempt to convert. Let's see just how many power struggles we can create amongst ourselves...will only end in tears, imo.

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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As an atheist, I snickered (or is it still snicker...I don't get out much)at the black billboards that were supposedly from "God". It just seemed weak to me that someone paid money to post them. The best was the, "I'm still listening" one. Where are the sensory organs then? I only see black paper and some egotist's idea of an encouraging message....

Anyway, if I were a theist of any sort, I would think these billboards were amusing until they blended into the setting of my everyday life and I stopped noticing them.

Which is to say, I think it's also sad than an atheist bothered with the advertising too. What is this infatuation with the numbers? Can we just be independent thinkers? Why do we need a collection of ourselves?

Colleen Walsh Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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What fun is pre-marital sex without the guilt and shame of religion?

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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1st lol via clay in awhile - well played!

Scott Doyle Verified

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I agree with Rick in that it seems as though the lack of forced assemblage would be a major bonus for the Atheist movement. (If this can be considered a movement.) Why muck it all up with torturous commitments that most believers make up excuses to get out of anyway?

Also - Doyle’s “throne of indecision”. I like that term and will be stealing it posthaste! A throne indeed and quite comfy at that! Maybe we should pass these around. What exactly is so wrong about simply saying “I don’t know”? Particularly when you don’t.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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RICK, has made some good feed thoughts, that connect with some hot and cold feelings on this matter...

And what I have had to realize on this subject,I recall some decades back a Jewish Immigrant I meet and he was from Russia and told me he became an atheist,or did not beleive in God becuase of what happpend to his Family and himself, and he was quite old....kind of shocking for me at the time around age 22.. then again,this has become a very good topic...A/T, Oh Thank Heaven for 7/11.

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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tumbles said - "What exactly is so wrong about simply saying “I don’t know”? Particularly when you don’t."

I always wondered that too. I have had discussions about religion with some very intelligent folk who are also deeply religious, and after going through all the logic, they finally admit (to a man) - that they "choose" to believe. You know, just in case....

Tracy Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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LOL @ pascal's wager.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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ScoDo's throne! But that doesn't account for him running from sideline to sideline trying goading both sides to fight.

::as long as you keep it to yourself. Billboard --&gt; marketing --&gt; attempt to convert.

Yeah, I have less trouble with a general philosophy push than a genuine branded faith, so to act like these are counterbalance to the "- signed God" series is lame. (Sure they're presumptuous, but they don't don't give an address to send money or join or whatever.)

Just because you agree with something doesn't make it more virtuous.

Subtle?  Not me.

It's just a membership drive. Good on ya!

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Best quote in this thread: "Thank God, finally the real atheists showed up!" - The Riceman

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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We love as a Nation, such wisdom of commercial Idolitry... and world global spiritual exchange...In God We Trust...., the Riceman earns a Global Peg.. Sheild..A/T,..The masses need a Jesus..

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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As an atheist I care less than very little what anyone else 'believes'.
Some chosen doctrines tell a believer what to eat, what to wear, how to talk, who to love, and who to hate. That's fine.
Some folks just need to be told how to live their lives. I guess figuring it out on their own is just too hard.
As long as your chosen doctrine doesn't dictate you blow my family or myself up, I'm cool with it.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Spoken like a true man walking on earth and some forethought of a Darwinist in your blood Rick...it is the deep down honest soul's, that have control over his maker and makings...A/T, Do as thou will...

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why won't God heal amputees?

Is God real, or is he imaginary?

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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dallas_diner-
I'm an Atheist and an amputee. This is such a lame argument to me.
I don't think even the staunchest believer really thinks that god would re-grow my legs.
Nor do I think there is no god because I lost my legs. S#!t happens!
Of course I guess if some Atheists weren't so vocal with their argument against religion, it would really get out of hand. (whoops, too late)

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Rick, I learned a long time ago that arguing with people of faith about the existence of any god is futile, if not the biggest waste of time on the planet. People of faith are just that, not beings bound by logic. There is nothing that binds the two and trying to find the connection has always been the crux...

Ludwig Wittgenstein's 7th Proposition in his philosophical discourse entitled Tractatus does it for me..."Whereof One Cannot Speak, Thereof One Must Be Silent."

Travis Bush Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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My son John was tall and slim and he had a leg for every limb.

But now he's got no legs at all, for he ran a race with a cannon ball..

Clay213 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I don't think even the staunchest believer really thinks that god would re-grow my legs."

Correct, because delusion can only go so far.

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yeah, delusion took us into Iraq!

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm a Christian. Probably the worst "practicing" Christian you'll ever meet, but I believe in taking the humble walk anyway and I'm just so sad that there are so many of you who don't get the point.

It's not a matter of being told how to live but how to live better. Faith is about being uplifted, inspired, given hope and direction when the direction you were going didn't work.

Faith is not for the weak minded, stupid, ignorant, uneducated and "delusional" masses as some posters want to believe. I see many of you provide an expression of some enlightened intellectual superiority; over riding any need for religions belief. I am happy for you that you are so self-perfected.

I'd like to remind our Happy Little Band of Peggers that some of the greatest achievements by our human family were born from religious faith: art, music, literature, architecture, science, medicine, etc. Some of the best educated and most successful people declare personal faith and are anything but weak minded and non-thinking.

Which brings me to the issue of lost limbs argument: many, many fine folks have gone into the medical field because they were "called by God" and inspired by faith to treat the injured and ill. Perhaps, just perhaps, the emergency room professional who treated the amputee was a person of faith and the medical devices and surgical techniques were developed by someone inspired by God or religious teachings. No, a limb didn’t grow back but a life was saved.

Pax out, L

Lisa Lawrence Merritt Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Apparently, you have to be a Christian, have faith, ad nauseam, to do anything good.

"many, many fine folks have gone into the medical field because they were "called by God" and inspired by faith to treat the injured and ill. Perhaps, just perhaps, the emergency room professional who treated the amputee was a person of faith and the medical devices and surgical techniques were developed by someone inspired by God"

Rationalization #6

Some believers say, "God does help amputees - he inspires scientists and engineers to create artificial limbs for them!" This logic is interesting, especially if we look at other examples. Take the case of smallpox. Millions upon millions of people died of smallpox until the vaccine was invented in the twentieth century. If God is the one who inspired the scientists, why did God wait until the twentieth century to do it? Why would God want to be the source of the massive suffering that smallpox caused prior to the twentieth century? And why do we pay the scientists, given that their work is simply God's inspiration?

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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sorry but contrary to their belief, "churchy folk" do not have the monopoly on good behavior. They just have a reason for it that comes from somewhere besides their own heart and mind. I will never forget the guy who said to me once, "if there is no god and no heaven, then why shouldn't I go around killing and raping?".....

Tracy Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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sigh

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"You are bad! You are bad and we are good! Your badness will be the end of you, and our goodness will be our triumph! Bad is bad - good is good! Bad-bad-good-bad! Good-good-bad-good, bad! Good."

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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hey I didn't start this :-)

Tracy Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yay for our side.
(We were the Butter-Side-Uppers, right?)

I'm constantly amazed when I find cynical Christians and proselytizing Atheists. Do people just not read the directions?

See, I'd love a debate with Yost on darned near anything philosophical. I think it'd go something like:

Hey.   
Hey.
You?
Nah. Not so much. You?
Yeah. Probably.

Whatcha drinkin&#39;?

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm drinking haterade.

Jesus Valadez Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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What IS that smell?

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Yeah, delusion took us into Iraq!"

Maybe it did, but it wasn't required. But to believe in a god does require delusion.

The point isn't whether or not "the staunchest believer really thinks that god would re-grow my legs." The point is that prayer doesn't work (because there is no god), or god would regenerate amputated limbs because the bible says that god answers prayers.

It's ironic that there are much "lower" life forms that can regenerate lost limbs, but humans cannot. So much for intelligent design.

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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God designed us with the intelligence to retool our own DNA and master the art of cloning. It is therefore our Divine Mandate to unlock the mystery of the axolotl, as but another step on the stairway to zeppelin.

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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cho, obviously god gave us intelligence to see how well we could ignore its wicked temptation. I mean, if we were meant to use our brains, why would he leave us a user manual?

Pavel Lishin Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Lisa with all due respect if you need a specific faith to live a good life wouldnt that make people of faith the weak ones? And if your such a person of faith how is it that according to your own words that you do not do a better job of leading a better christian life? If the vast majority of self-proclaimed Christians would do a better job of living their religion then telling others what to do then you might have a valid argument.

zainypagan Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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What a beautiful little snapshot of America this thread is. Room for everybody.

Tracy – I think I’ve met that guy. Was he carrying a large wooden cross?

cho makes me laugh until I cry.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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::believe in a god does require delusion.

Man, I hear that every day. The same guys then try to convince me the matter around me could fit in the head of a pin. Mind you, they themselves can't prove it, but their high priests explained it in a way that made perfect sense.

With these tiny brains, I think you have to assume at least one bit of axiomatic nonsense to just get through the day.

I'll choose "Yost/Pavel 2012" as my nonsense of the day today.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'll agree to run with Yost on the condition that the White House be a non-smoking area.

Pavel Lishin Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"some of the greatest achievements by our human family were born from religious faith"

Perhaps you meant in spite of religious faith. For example, it's common knowledge that religion (the Catholic Church) has been at odds with science, and that it actively persecuted scientists.

Were the numerous instances of child molestation by high-ranking Catholics also "born from religious faith?" I suspect your answer is no. And you would be correct. Their actions were not "born from religious faith" anymore than most of those who pursued "art, music, literature, architecture, science, medicine, etc."

"Faith is not for the weak minded, stupid, ignorant, uneducated and "delusional" masses..."

Lisa, you're editorializing to support your position. And none of those attributes you listed are required for delusion - a belief derived from deception.

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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dallas_diner, I'm not religious, and I am a technologist, but they're just tools. Please don't suggest that science and its related technological progress is the highest form of success humanity has achieved.

If you advance that position, we'd first have to agree that technological advancement has been an unequivocal good-- and I love my gadgets and my lack of polio, but I'm thinking the Sistine Chapel is still some pretty hot stuff.

Jeremy Dunck Staff

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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*I'll agree to run with Yost on the condition that the White House be a non-smoking area*.

Your candidacy is only an inkling yet the bloodthirsty lobbyists are already nipping at your heels like demons from Hell!!!

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, she has a point. Some of the greatest achievements in human history were due to religion, but that's not a controversial thesis to make. There weren't all that many atheists prior to the 19th century, and various churches always had plenty of money - and that counts for a lot in a society of patronage. (Jeremy mentioned the Sistine Chapel as one of the examples before I got a chance to.) Then there's the Egyptian pyramids, etc., etc.

Pavel Lishin Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Please don't suggest that science and its related technological progress is the highest form of success humanity has achieved."

I didn't suggest that. I used science as an example by writing "For example...science..."

There have also been many instances of art, literature, etc., destroyed in the name of religion.

That being said, I do think that scientific progress IS the highest form of success humanity has achieved. Oh, and in case you didn't notice, I think that religion is the greatest failure of humanity. The degree of most scientific success pales when compared to the degree of failure of religion.

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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So, your point of contention lies in the former comment simply being an example...only to later confirm Jeremy hit the nail on the head?

Christ.

<small><i>just laughed at my own joke, btw</i></small>

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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No, in the former post I didn't suggest it. In the latter post I not only suggested it, I proclaimed it. So he didn't hit the nail on the head. Besides, a debate of which human achievements are the greatest is a tangent to the discussion of atheism and faith.

My actual point of contention was that "some of the greatest achievements by our human family were born from religious faith." In reality, some of the greatest injury, murder, injustice, and destruction were born from religious faith - more so than any such achievements.

Jesus (H. Christ) saves! He shoots! He scores!

just laughed at my own joke, btw (?)

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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::tangent to the discussion of atheism and faith.

I thought it was about several hundred square feet of advertising.

::scientific progress IS the highest form of success humanity has achieved.

This oughta be good. So go on now about how those pesky Catholics caused the current scramble of/about/for/against Global Warming.

-- waiting patiently in Plano.

Oh and it's just NOT a long contentious thread without.... Cesar Chavez!

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Just yesterday, out of the blue, my 8-year-old daughter asked me, "Daddy, do you know who Cesar Chavez is?"

Everyone else in the Walmart line was repelled by my unearthly cackles.

God turning loose the Big Bang then punishing the dinosaurs for their iniquity, I can explain - but this??

Maybe we need some more billboards after all.

-I am Third

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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An unending debate over an unanswerable question.

I vote we just settle for Jason and Rick's version of the debate. The one that ends with "Whatcha drinkin?"

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Amen. Bud Light 16oz can.

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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$2 Stella if Yost would listen to me for a change. Understood, he's got his business, I obviously would fail at same, etc.

My actual point was, someone else already talked about it, but I'll deflect from it regardless, meanwhile we should take note that some guys did some things worthwhile over the years, Jesus appropriated holier than thou mentality somewhere along the line, and I'm a mothaf*ckin saint for living as long as I have.

Bitch please, I am simply a product of his intelligent design and it's not my fault I'm this infallible. psssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Uh, do I have to be drunk to comprehend that? Cause my sober brain, not so much.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Is ScoDo bucking for the coveted "AT Oracular Beat-Poet at Large" seat?

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I kinda like it. He threw in a little hip-hop swing there...

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I was listening...I am listening...I'm waiting for you to say something intelligible and possibly, well you know.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Keep talking. Souless lame excuses.

Lisa Lawrence Merritt Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry, figured it's a better use of my time to randomly blurt out things about things and praise my awesomeness in the process.

And since we're sharing pertinent clips:

<embed allowfullscreen="true" allownetworking="all" allowscriptaccess="always" bgcolor="#000000" flashvars="autoPlay=false&amp;dist=http://www.southparkstudios.com&amp;orig=" height="400" src="http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:item:southparkstudios.com:153492" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="480" wmode="window">

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"So go on now about how those pesky Catholics caused the current scramble of/about/for/against Global Warming."

Non Sequitur...

dallas_diner Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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::Non Sequitur...

Nope. Mass production, procedural conversion of raw resources to wealth.... that's how we've used science, my dear boy.

Stand up and take yer licks.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"And since we're sharing pertinent clips:"

Why is it 'pertinent clips' need to be used on Peg to begin with? Can we really not put forth some intelligent thought without resorting to using funny video clips to make our point- or worse, to use when we obviously have no point. I'm all for humor, just type it! This thread loads up like the front page to Myspace- slow.
Too much media and not enough thought turned into dialog.

I'm just sayin'.

I guess I'm outta here.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Now, Rick.... I even skipped 'shopping your mug onto Clay's goat to keep things civil.
(That and the perspective is a waaaay off)

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Now Jason...you know I don't don the goat-head (actual goat's head made into religious head gear complete with gold leaf horns and mood-ring eyes) until Sunday night-Special Atheist's Recruitment Show from 12am to 1am, cover: your soul. Don't miss it folks.
I didn't even know Clay had a goat! Blasphemous! I hope he gives it nothing but holy water to drink? You have to be careful you know.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yost, not sure how many serious discussions you've had with people where you question something they'll probably die to defend...but it generally doesn't end in a civil manner.

Not to mention, keep in mind this is a thread about billboards...that happen to be used temporarily to market atheism. All on a site which generates ad revenue strictly via these fancy internets. Don't need no physical sign 'round these parts! (in fact, <a href="http://www.pegasusnews.com/events/2009/apr/03/135413/#c49310">they lost</a> the one they had)

Either way, I spent far more serious words than usual on the ordeal. Not gonna change any minds, especially since I personally chose not to make up my own - and I'm OK with that. Believe what you will; respect me doing same pls.

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Doyle- "I personally chose not to make up my own - and I'm OK with that. Believe what you will; respect me doing same pls."

Amen brother.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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ScoDo! Fight the good fight

Storming the strongholds of things held strongly.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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His sea monkeys think he's a god.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, hey! did anyone catch these momentous unveilings?

I thought I felt the earth shake a little but it turned out to be a jet flyover for the first day of the Rangers' season.

Oh, wait!! This just in! Waiter, there&#39;s O&#39;Hair in my toast!

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Monkey see and monkey do in The planet of The Apes.....as they worxship their Ape God....A/T, ..Life is full of worships..and relics...and bread winners..

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Whose face is on your toast Jason, Caesar Chavez?

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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&lt;sigh&gt;

Ok, in Texas I thought at least she'd be recognizable.. Alas! Fame is fleeting.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I Have Obamma on my toast today, great discovery...who is on yout toast..Monkey bean...the Mayor of Dallas...A/T, Burnt offerings

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wait...Is it the "Where's the beef?" lady?

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have to say that I'm proud that that a two-paragraph post (put up on a Saturday, no less) has turned into one of our longest comment threads ever. Keep it up -- only one more to 150!

Alex Bentley Staff

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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See what God does to trouble making Atheists? Madalyn Murray O'Hair - The utter definition of smite.

Alex - You seem surprised that we are content to chase our tails.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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::content to chase our tails

Ironically, his glee is that chasing our tails IS content.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I thought it was Kim Jong Il.

150th!! I so pwn.

ch0 Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Nice one Jason.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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MADALYN MURRY OHAIR, is an intresting story, really...

While one fact was she did not sleep in a bed she owned or her folks gave her, or had a places to sleep for some 30 years......she grew up sleeping on boxes or other kinds of quiting or other peoples homes, on a couch, so...she felt..telling here story I recall,... GOD..Did not love her or had nonthing do do for here, thus the birth of one very intresting movement....

When she died, it as all about gold coins some 500,000 worth and the final end is quite....an athestic ending...gone....where....

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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And lest the CC crowd feel under represented (as if THAT could ever happen)

resisting the obvious - and omelet instead

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Do we know for certain whether or not she is dead?

Maybe...just maybe she bought a bar on Pearl Street...? JK!!

Sorry Rick. Hard to manage these childish impulses some days.

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Not even the missing $400K could cover the surgery to pretty her up to Yosti's leash-keeper's level. I can see Tracy in heels.... MMO - not so much.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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a two-paragraph post (put up on a Saturday, no less) has turned into one of our longest comment threads ever.

Unfortunately, too many of the comments are multiple, irrelevant messages made by a couple of Pegasus News regulars who have nothing better to than demonstrate their lack of wit and intelligence.

Lou_G Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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::this is a thread about billboards...

anybody else appreciate the irony that no less than two specific churches are cycling Easter ads on our beloved Peg?

Man, I love this planet!

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Woohooo! And there they BOTH pop up when I post the query. Synchronicity? Or programming.  You decide

Man, them electrons have a heluva sense of humor.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Unfortunately, too many of the comments are multiple, irrelevant messages made by a couple of Pegasus News regulars who have nothing better to than demonstrate their lack of wit and intelligence.

So clay does have blood relatives after all! Welcome Lou and congratulations on your second highly relevant comment!

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Maybe Lou is gonna try and segregate PN commenter groups so we can struggle for power amongst ourselves?

Aside from that, thanks for amazing us with your superior wit &amp; intelligence...that may or may not have come from one of hopefully many phalanges.

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I've already bookmarked the comment under "Tutorials"

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"You are bad! You are bad and we are good! Your badness will be the end of you, and our goodness will be our triumph! Bad is bad - good is good! Bad-bad-good-bad! Good-good-bad-good, bad! Good."

Holy crap! I just noticed there was a Thumb Wars quote in this thread. Sweet!

xdavidwattsx Anonymous

7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh boy...How did these guys sneak in under the radar???

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfai...

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 1 week ago
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They are leaving their cards all over town, found some over here at Urban Market, freind's of Laura and George I would suspect.....speaking of Preston Hollow radar..God dosent even exist over there now...A/T,..Catholic Buddast

alexander troup Verified

7 months, 1 week ago
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Geez...People will believe anything! (Yes I said that with a straight face.)

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 1 week ago
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I'm prolly gonna get smacked for this, but.... it's so right....

<img src="http://www.pearlatcommerce.com/gallery/rick-altar.jpg">

Tracy Yost Verified

7 months, 1 week ago
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Feature Request: "Beyond Favorite Users" status for Tracy.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 1 week ago
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OMG! That is beyond fabulous Tracy!! Look at the expression on his face!

"Go home people. You’re all going to Hell anyway!"

lmao...Beautiful!

jtmbls Anonymous

7 months, 1 week ago
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No comment...well, you know what I mean.

Rick Yost Verified

7 months, 1 week ago
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You mean "Dammit.... but I have to fall asleep sometime so the next word may be my last"

Ah, married bliss.

Jason Rice Verified

7 months, 1 week ago
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I like how she foresees the domestic abuse, but takes one for the team.

Thanks for your sacrifice, Tracy!

Scott Doyle Verified

7 months, 1 week ago
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