Parking near Lower Greenville in Dallas about to get worse

Pavel Lishin says:

"(you don't really believe they get here sober, do you?)"

I'd argue that if there is drunk driving going on, it happens when they're leaving, not when they're arriving.

"nobody who does live down here cares what you think."

I'm guessing the people who I give money to in exchange for alcohol probably care quite a bit about what I think.

Also, as an fyi, I like going out and drinking, and I've got two legs in more or less working condition. So do lots of other people. Extending the parking zones a few blocks will just mean drunks walking a few blocks further, giving them a few more blocks to do whatever it is Avi's scared of them doing.

Scott Doyle says:

Ummm, seems the only thing that changed is pay lot ownership and one tiny little street down south. Otherwise, same as it was...doesn't really affect us, Pavel.

Pavel Lishin says:

"<i>Seriously, who doesn't valet their cars?</i>"

I'd reverse the question and ask, "who does?", but I already know the answer: people with a surplus of money and a shortage of functional ambulatory appendages.

Scott Doyle says:

You do not live here, you do not own property here, and you probably do not live in Dallas

And you don't own the street. For those of us living in Dallas, you're a tool for bogarting property our taxes help pay for.

Pavel Lishin says:

jtmbls - you're right, I didn't think about that.

Although, there's really nothing stopping you from rocking a 'hawk - except maybe a job, opinions of valued friends and family, and societal norms, I guess. Pfft.

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Jesus Valadez says:

I never valet my car...

Rawlins Gilliland says:

Well, I didn't have to valet park when I ate at Dodie's Cajun seafood cafe (across the street from the carcass of the demised Whole Foods and near the scorched earth that was once Nuevo Leon and The Arcadia Theater which is just up from where Poor David’s stood for years) the other night where that fried seafood platter was like being carried up the stairs in an angel's arms and laid upon a lavish mattress designed for culinary love-making.

Otherwise, valet parking on lower Greenville strikes me at first blush like wearing a dinner jacket to eat ribs or a swim suit in the bathtub. Asking, ‘Do you have nachos?’ at the French Room. Reading the Bible on Kindle2 at Souper Salads. Attending a Jessica Simpson film festival. Kosher Grape Nuts.

BUT: Considering that last year, people were towed even after being told by the business owners that they were parking legally (Via PegasusNews hotflashes), I'd valet pay to play knowing that there is some accountability / certainty that you will have a car at the end of your Street of Dreams pilgrimage.

Me? Back to Deep Ellum where the spaces are many and the eat-and-drink options as open as a grinning hippo's jaws. Jeez.

Tracy Yost says:

Not to nitpick, but as I understand city code, parking is required, but FREE parking is not.

Chris Kidd says:

Mike and everyone else, I apologize for the previous comment. This damn guy gets on my nerves but the term I used wasnt called for.

My issue is the fact this guy has offically chased all the decent businesses in the neighborhood because of his near-facists beliefs on business zoning and parking, not to mention wastes my tax dollars on false alarm calls to the DPD and setting up his precious parking dictatorship. If people want to knowingly live in a neighborhood near an entertainment district(Club, Bar, Restaurant), they need to realize people are going to park on the streets nearby, suck it up and grow a pair. If Avi wants to be a real force for good, perhaps he and the neighborhood association should purchase a lot for parking, since whole foods moved, theres a lot available and maybe form a non-conforntational partnership w/ the remaining businesses to help co-fund the lot.

Pavel Lishin says:

Well, one point that Avi made is that he's been living there since before Lower Greenville was an apparent mecca to miscreants. So, sure, he may have the right to grumble that the neighborhood ain't what it used to be.

But hey, look at that, progress. Things change.

Jason Rice says:

That is SOOO unfair. I step out for lunch and miss something I could hold over chris's head forever....

I mean, I personally try to rile CD to the point of cussing and this could have been a Grail for me, a goal, a pinnacle to which I aspire. Alas.

Rawlins Gilliland says:

Ever notice how any thread or article or anything media related to Lower Greenville becomes quickly in comments a de facto referendum on Avi Adelman; a man whose cause is arguably just but whose tactics are widely questioned? At some point, that point speaks for itself.

Meanwhile: I parked on Vickery legally and went to Terreli's years ago: My car was broken into and I was robbed. You park somewhere else and you're towed. You valet park at hit-and-miss operations from Gloria's on down and the spontaneity and neighborhood ease and economy of LG becomes compromised.

Pavel, As for anyone's tenure in the area per Lower Greenville pre-dating these ongoing business/homeowner conflicts, LG was already a recognized hip-happening area for years when I left in 1983, and I suspect but don't know, that busy neighborhood overspill parking issues predate Mr. Adelman's personal crusade.

For what that's worth.

The liklihood that mr. Avelman's area was a sleepy neighborhood normal when he bought there sounds unlikely. I'm a native of that area, as I've said. So I would be in a position to know if the 'progress' you allude to took place in fact after the current settlers settled in.

Be that as it may:

Meanwhile, reading these threads / and-or crime events (said to be anomalies but if occuring in other parts of the city would become red flag stigmas); to characterize what has happened to and in Lower Greenville in this century as 'progress', (no matter which side of the argument one stands) strikes me as an atomic Lycra stretch. In fact, one would be hard pressed to not see LG currently as a diminsishing return shadow of it's 80s-90s self. And hopefully/probably the valet parking being unified and standardized (and yes probably a monopoly but controlable/predictable) can be part of the solution to solve some festering problems some people still insist are imagined.

Pavel Lishin says:

I can't really cite the source, because I don't remember where I read it; I thought it was in a comment Avi left on the site, but I'm too lazy to Google around for it.

I think the reason these threads become basic attacks on Avi is because he's the only grump I'm aware of who speaks out on the issue. Maybe his whole neighborhood feels this way, but they never seem to comment here or write blogs of their own. I wonder if Barking Dogs has a circulation beyond PN; you would think he would ask some of his neighbors to lend their point of view here on this site - I'd like to hear what they think about the issue.

Chris Kidd says:

I say everyone generally agrees, Avi is a bitter old guy. He's the same old fart who'd prolly gripe about crabgrass or somebodys dog pooping on his lawn if he didnt live off of belmont and have all the "rable-rousers" coming to his neighborhood on weekends. I say turn a blind eye to him and he'll dissappear...

Jason Rice says:

...Or plant some crabgrass next door

Jason Rice says:

I'm willing to donate some for the cause.

Travis Bush says:

I doubt Avi is concerned with restaurants closing..he's got enough lard around the neck to feed himself for years..

Jesus Valadez says:

OOOOOooh snapz

Pavel Lishin says:

I have never considered Lower Greenville scary in the least. I guess a hobo's never rushed me there, though.

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Pavel Lishin says:

Are there people really zooming around the entire neighborhood? It's a big area, and when I'm there, I basically make a bee-line down Matilda or Greenville, turn off and park. I'm not cruising the neighborhoods looking for kitties to assault or lawns to throw up on...

Chris Kidd says:

Burly, I understand as I live in deep ellum. But, I knew moving down here I was going to be living above two restaurants, both which get noisy on weekend nights. I think folks dont take those things into account when they move into the M streets.

LG, I think the big issue I and othersof take issue w/ involving Avi is the fact he's got a bone to pick w/ everyone and has pulled his "hustle" w/ quite a few of the local businesses in the past. I agree the neighborhood deserves some respect, no doubt. But when you have a guy like that as a neighbor who cant keep up his lawn or goes near-facists on his plans to dictate where people can park, you have to wonder why people take a dim view of your area.

Chris Kidd says:

Burly, I understand as I live in deep ellum. But, I knew moving down here I was going to be living above two restaurants, both which get noisy on weekend nights. I think folks dont take those things into account when they move into the M streets.

LG, I think the big issue I and othersof take issue w/ involving Avi is the fact he's got a bone to pick w/ everyone and has pulled his "hustle" w/ quite a few of the local businesses in the past. I agree the neighborhood deserves some respect, no doubt. But when you have a guy like that as a neighbor who cant keep up his lawn or goes near-facists on his plans to dictate where people can park, you have to wonder why people take a dim view of your area.

Travis Bush says:

"One neighborhood association (Lower Greenville NA) is paid off by the bars an undisclosed but obscene amount of money (we think it's 30 pieces of silver) to plant the No Parking signs."

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009/...

Shall we talk about unsubstantiated claims? I guess it takes special permission to do that kind of thing.

Jason Rice says:

::30 pieces of silver

Man, How much more substantiated does it have to get?
<font size="1">Granted, the whisper mode <strike>&lt;strike&gt;</strike> was not fully invoked, but geez!</font>

alexander troup says:

I just ride my bike to the area, have lost intrest since they closed down Whole Food's and realize...downtown is no better...you have a car it is a cash cow for the City Of Dallas....A/T, HENRY FORD and my MODEL T where are we.

Travis Bush says:

Dammit, Mike! I just spit tea on my dam monitor...I would have loved to hear the Justices debating that one...I understand where you are coming from, but it is important to mention the op-ed isn't above saying things he can't prove.

Jasen Chavez says:

Meh-screw Lower Greenville lets all meet at the Londener in Addison when I get back in town.. In truth Greenville has always had a special place in my heart though. Billiard Bar was my first bar in Dallas when I moved here. Also the first time I had my truck towed cause I was picking people up at The Beagle cause I was the DD, lesson learned parking in all of Dallas is f$%^#d up. Sad to see its not getting any better.

Pavel Lishin says:

Lower Greenville is one of the few places in Dallas that I know of where you can actually barhop without calling a cab or walking a mile between bars. Even Addison doesn't really have that kind of density, unless you count restaurants that happen to serve alcohol - and even then...

Jason Rice says:

Guys - Plano E. 15th street....
Fillmore's, Vickery Park, Jorg's, Kelly's East Side and a couple more in the next two months - all within two blocks... stumble off the DART and pass out in a much cleaner gutter

Scott Doyle says:

Is it your gutter? I'm not sure any other will suffice.

Travis Bush says:

Yes..and we'll probably need your address so we can pee on your lawn...

Jason Rice says:

Unlike some that must be where the action is... You'd be stumbling 5.5 miles to my gutter.

But upon getting here, you'll be pleased to find the storm drain right near my house so you can slip quietly into a stupor and roll effortlessly under the street.

Jason Rice says:

That's why I'm in Plano, good sir or madame ;o)

I've spent many a find time a decade ago in your yard, but... not so much lately.

Travis Bush says:

Maybe Belmont St. needs a moat.

Travis Bush says:

Hrmmm...seems like there is a bot attack.

Jason Rice says:

Automaton's are most often the content ones.

And vice-versa

Pavel Lishin says:

Fillmore's is nice, but Kelly is a little too country for my tastes. Never even heard of the others.

It's not bad, but it's just not the type of barhopping experience I'm looking for. A cleaner gutter has no hold over me.