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Friday, October 12, 2012

Who won the vice presidential debate, Joe Biden or Paul Ryan?


Biden and Ryan clashed sharply on issues related to foreign policy, health care, and abortion.

US Vice President Joe Biden (left) and Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan shake hands prior to their debate at the Norton Center at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, October 10, 2012.

Saul Loeb

US Vice President Joe Biden (left) and Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan shake hands prior to their debate at the Norton Center at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, October 10, 2012.

The 2012 vice presidential candidates delivered an energetic, sparring match Thursday night during the second debate of the election season. Vice President Joe Biden and Congressman Paul Ryan faced off under moderator Martha Raddatz of ABC News. She was a controversial selection given her personal background with the Obama family.

In a debate “that’s important mostly to partisans,” said Ben Voth, chair of SMU’s communication studies department, the candidates did in fact appeal to their most prominent audience of the night.

“I think both sides gave their partisans something to be happy about,” Voth said.

After Romney’s triumph in the first presidential debate, Biden was expected to make up for lost ground in the second round.

“[The Democrats] wanted Biden to step up more than President Obama did, and I think he did that,” Voth said. “[He] was trying to be more aggressive and hit points Obama missed.”

Foreign policy and defense budgets dominated much of the debate. Accusing the Obama administration of having “no credibility” on foreign policy and handling Iran’s nuclear activity, Ryan asserted that the next president needed to take more direct action.

“They are not changing their mind. That is what we have to do — change their mind,” he said.

Biden, considered by many to hold his expertise in foreign policy, appeared confident in the foreign policy growth that has been facilitated over the past four years.

“This is a guy who has repaired our alliances so the rest of the world will follow us again,” Biden said.

When the question of defense cuts was posed, Biden made clear the Obama administration’s non-negotiable stance on ending the war in Afghanistan by 2014.

“Unless you set a timeline, [their government] will not step up. They are happy to let us do the job,” Biden said. “It is their responsibility to take on their own security.”

Ryan was sure to clarify that the Romney campaign does not “want to extend beyond 2014,” but that it also does not “want to embolden our enemies” by leaving behind a premature government.

Tensions flew again with the facilitation of economic discussion during which Raddatz confronted Ryan on evading tax cut logistics, saying he had “refused again to offer specifics.”

Ryan accused the Obama administration of getting “caught with their hand in the cookie jar” and trying to use Medicare money for Obamacare.

But Biden called the Romney campaign out on not following through on assertions and promises.

“Stop talking about how you care about people ­— show me,” Biden said.

When abortion was approached, Ryan articulated the Romney campaign’s official stance and leaded with the assertion that “our faith informs us in everything we do.”

“The policy is to oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother,” Ryan said.

Biden, a practicing Catholic, then took his turn on the issue.

“I accept my church’s position, but I refuse to impose that on others,” Biden said.

The next debate, which will be in the town hall format between the presidential candidates, will be October 16.

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humanapexx, anonymous:

Biden wins on abortion. Foreign policy was a draw. Ryan wins on how to fix the economy. Biden wins on being an *hole.

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dpryor37, anonymous:

I agree with anonymous on the *hole comment. Who'd want to invite Biden into his/her home to be interrupted all the time. When I was growing up here in KY, we said people like that must have been raised on goat's milk--they're always butting in!

D Pryor, Central City, KY

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John Turner-McClelland, verified:

Judges scored it 30-27, 30-27, 30-27. Winner by unanimous decision. Joe Biden.

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louie4147, anonymous:

Joe was Joe. Our family dinners can get heated and it feels refreshing afterwards.

P. Eskenazi, Seattle, WA

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sfeem, anonymous:

I can't believe how big of a horse's A Biden was. I've never seen anyone laugh out loud, smirk and smile like an old Warner Brothers cartoon character. To laugh thru topics like Iran obtaining a nuke and to laugh thru abortion, I just don't get it. He really made himself look bad.

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pat4951, anonymous:

Biden seem to be laughing out of fear to me. I don't think he was as confident as he wanted people to thing he was. Just because he thinks he and Obama are doing a good job does not mean they are. I feel the strength of our country slipping away..............

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Msmith_77, anonymous:

Mr. Biden America is not laughing!

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craacc, anonymous:

I think Biden made a complete fool of himself, having a total lack of self control. Who can believe that we have a vice president now (hopefully not much longer) who is so unconfident with himself that he feels as though he has to laugh at and interupt Ryan over 80 times!! Get a life Biden!!! We need you Ryan!!!

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davidds, anonymous:

Biden is a joke and an Embarrassment to our country. Car Salesmen? Jerk at the Bar? Con!!!!

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pfrantzbyla, anonymous:

Biden wins

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mz_sass07, anonymous:

It's called a debate everyone needs to stop being so sensitive. Biden did what Abby great debater does and that is to make the opponent less creditable. He was laughing because he understood the jokes behind Ryan lies.

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ellis, anonymous:

Debating is a bit silly...

We are all stuck in The Matrix.

The Elites have given us two candidates to vote for.

The winner will be a marionette on a string like all of his predecessors.

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raj_nyc2010, anonymous:

Biden was mocking and smirking and laughing which was inappropriate and disrespectful. He was obviously paranoid and was nervous. He kept interrupting Ryan million times.... and I was surprised that the Moderator didn't say anything ! Basic manners is that you be patient and wait for the other person to finish his remarks/comments and then you respond. He lacks this basic manners and I don't know how he has been a senator for decades and was selected to be the Vice President, which is a JOKE !!! ?? !!

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joelevingston, anonymous:

As an United States Operation Enduring Freedom Veteran, I am backing Joe Biden 100%. I saw Joe Biden laughing/interrupting congressman Ryan because he was full of crap and lies. Everyone knows that President Bush sent us to Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction which were never found. Oh, and he was full of crap and lies too. That was his scare tactic and we have over two thousand of my fellow soldiers that didn't come home from Iraq to their families. So to all that think Joe Biden was interrupting Congressman Ryan, think about how President Bush interrupted the lives of so many Americans and Arabs. I think you guys should go crawl under something. Congressman Ryan and Mitt Romney aren't anything but an continuation of the lies that ran the U.S. during the Bush administration.

Thanks, John Doe

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raj_nyc2010, anonymous:

Everyones is entitled for their own personal opinion !!!

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thedeadking, anonymous:

Due to how the presidential debate went, I wasn't surprised to see Mr. Biden on the offensive. Although he came off a little crass at times, I think his arguments and counterarguments were valid and accurate.

I'm sure if Mr. Ryan had anything to say, other then the typical vague literature distributed by the Romney campaign, made his (or Mr. Romney's) point known too.

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raj_nyc2010, anonymous:

Everyone is entitled for their own personal opinion and obviously everyone will not agree !!!

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BrandonR, anonymous:

How could anyone think that the timid, weak, and cowardly Ryan won that? Biden didn't act appropriately, it was just about time someone stopped the Republicans from constantly lying to the American people. To call someone out on their lying is never a bad thing.

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Nicerpeople, anonymous:

I totally agree there. I think Biden was as upset as I was about the sh*t his apponent was talking. Does anybody realize that Romney is getting the same advisors that Bush had? Does anybody realize what that means? I just have this gut feeling that when it comes to crucial decisions concerning foreign politics Romney will choose what's better for America and Obama will choose what's better for the greater good. and hey, I respect your patriotism guys but honestly, with all that's going on in the world out there? With world peace slowly weakening? I think we might just really need a lot of greater good. So, good luck for Obama and Biden! I totally support you.

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aliette7, anonymous:

Joe Biden is won the debat He beat him on foreign policy . on health care and stimilus God with you Obama & Joe you love people and people love you

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